The Secretary’s programs lack the necessary depth to be effective, Nafisi says.

Azar Nafisi: I don’t think it is effective. You see in order to support other people, first of all you really have to believe that those . . . We cannot use political ploys. When we don’t like Iran, we want to support the . . . I remember about Afghanistan. When I came to U.S. in ’97, I was so mad that nobody was talking about what women were . . . Apart from a small group of women here – give them credit, the feminist majority especially – were talking about Taliban. but the majority of society was silence. The administrations . . . The different administrations were mainly silent. Okay so now Taliban is bad, but let . . . we’ll let them be for a time being. Then 9/11 happens, and all of a sudden when we’re invading Afghanistan we remember Afghani women – that they have been suffering under Taliban. Then we drop them. Are you hearing the administration talking about Afghani women anymore? They’re suffering, I can tell you that. They’re being killed and all sorts of . . . So U.S. foreign policy circles should learn that these are not things you play with. If you think about Iranian people’s right to democracy, you can’t constantly vacillate – well if you like the regime, you’ll shut up about it. If you don’t like it, you’ll offer cures for it. So that is the first thing. The second thing is that what we need is not money. You want to put money into promoting democracy in Iran, put money into education of democracy via Internet; via radio free Iran, radio..., or .... It is a culture entity. The most hopeful thing about Iran – and this hope might be dashed. I’m not saying . . . I’m not optimistic. I’m hopeful. The most hopeful thing about Iran, it has . . . it has a vibrancy of society. It has people who have, with their flesh and blood, understood what individual rights mean, and they want change. Let us help them change from within through bringing education of democracy; through bringing their voices back; through talking about what the Iranian worker’s struggle is right now; Iranian women’s struggles. Money to individuals . . . Money, like weapons, doesn’t solve the problem; culture does, you know. So that is my critique of that. I’m not saying whether Mrs. Rice was well intentioned or not, but intentions don’t come into this, you know? Depth does. I don’t think there’s any depth to these programs.