Leslie H. Gelb, a former New York Times columnist and senior government official, is author of "Power Rules: How Common Sense Can Rescue American Foreign Policy" (HarperCollins 2009), a book that shows how to think about and use power in the 21st century. He is president emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations.
Question: What is power?
Leslie Gelb: Power, to me, and I think power historically, has been the ability to get others to do something they don't want to do. It's a political and psychological relationship. It's using carrots and sticks to create an impression in someone's mind of what you can do to help them or to harm them. It's about pressure and coercion.
Question: What is effective foreign policy?
Leslie Gelb: Effective foreign policy really comes down to common sense. It's understanding what's attainable, which power can produce, and what's not attainable. It's understanding how to use your power because you understand just what power you do have and how it's going to affect other societies and other political leaders, some things that Americans rarely understand. So it comes down to common sense judgments.
In international relations, it puts you on the mountain and if you have the most power at the top of the mountain. But it also should give you responsibility if you have power because you have the power to get things done, solve problems. That's an awesome responsibility.
Recorded on 5/1/09.