Big Think

sciencesaves on August 24, 2009, 8:54 AM

We will not retain consciousness, which we should be thankful for.  It’s never been proven otherwise.  We will not know that we’re dead.  Pure and simple reasoning, we return to the earth, or the greater universe, as it should be.

What remains is the memory of us in the living, because we’re gone forever, it matters not to us…death is final, and certain.

tim hall on August 24, 2009, 11:36 AM

The eternity belief is never clear. If one writes “Streets paved with gold” It is up to the individual to select the appropriete meaning from family beliefs, social communication, various evangelist definition, and praying to Jesus. For the most part it seems to mean your soul forever living without pain, everything good, cap all yernings of the soul. It would not seem that the soul would suddenly have the ability to reason (like a live brain) So, you (soul) would live forever like a plant, blowing in the winds of heaven. Or like a pretty butterfly. Just make something up. They did!

Luke Allen on August 25, 2009, 1:02 AM

Tim,

You ask: “Why do Christians argue with facts, when God granted them the ability to reason”

Tell me the “facts” we argue and I’ll tell you what God taught us as reason.

“We have studied the resources to almost all religious teachings and God granted us the ability to reason. Why would we go against his wishes and stay ignorant.”

Again I reject that I am “staying ignorant” so please enlightened me on how I’m not using my “ability to reason”?

“With our great ability to reason and hard work throughout the past 1,000 years, proving the falsity of biblical teachings, are we still afraid to claim truth?”

I don’t think the last thousand years have proven anything about the Bible false and look forward to what you think has. Are you claiming truth? Truth means no more debate. I know for truth that I and you share an anatomic thing called brain. I know the brain is responsible for most of our actions say like breathing. I also know science doesn’t know how the brain controls our breathing because of this statement: “‘Breathing is a good model for understanding brain function in general,’ said Dr. Jack Feldman, UCLA professor of neurobiology and senior author. ‘Once we learn how the brain commands humans to breathe, we will gain valuable insight into how the brain produces other meaningful behaviors.’” Please notice the “once we learn”. That denotes we don’t know yet. Yet if I would’ve asked you does science know the truth for how we breathe I’m sure you would’ve stated yes. Hence, why I’m afraid of claiming truth is because I’m pretty sure someone else could show how I’m wrong. 

“If one digs in the earth and discovers truth, should he still believe what was written 2000 years ago. Is the earth flat?”

Dig in the earth and discover truth for you just gander on over to answersingenesis.org first and help me to understand where their “science” is wrong. Remember they are posting review papers as well and have advanced degrees also, should we just limit the debate claim you know truth and stop letting them post what they find when they dig in the dirt? No the earth isn’t flat but I don’t remember the Bible verse where Jesus said it was; Could you please send that to me?

“Why is eternal life a better ending. Why would one want to go on forever with no out? Who was the ignoramous who wrote that one?”

I don’t think the law of thermodynamics which specifically states that Energy can never be destroyed (yes Tim you are a being of energy.) is ignorant. No I’m not claiming science proves an afterlife because as HerbieP points out there is no science to force you to believe consciousness, or that thing that makes you think you are you can be an energy stream that last forever; Herbie prefers to think our consciousness just melts inot little balls of nothingness. But that is just a belief because science hasn’t proved that either. As you know as fact from your earlier post of Dr. Granpierre we are just now starting to learn consciousness doesn’t rely completely on the neural connectors. And hence no one can claim the complete truth to consciousness and I tend to think the least logical position is to claim truth before it’s truth. Do you disagree?

sciencesaves on August 25, 2009, 8:52 AM

“I tend to think the least logical position is to claim truth before it’s truth.”

I couldnt’ve said it better myself…

tim hall on August 25, 2009, 6:09 PM

I rest my case. There is no truth in the Jesus story.

Luke Allen on August 28, 2009, 12:51 AM

No, there is complete truth in the Jesus story. We are still learning from his writings 2009 years after his death.