Send in the poets. Send in the seducers. 

Vulnerable people, not invulnerable drones who can mistake a wedding party for a terrorist cell.

When those mistakes are made, that is how ISIS is born.

              – Saul Williams


Saul Williams is a fiercely original, multitalented artist who burst on the scene as an actor and a slam poet in the 1998 film Slam, which won the Grand Jury prize at Sundance, and as a rapper/musician with the 2001 album Amethyst Rock Star, produced by Rick Rubin. He has since released four additional albums, five books of poetry, and starred in the Broadway musical Holler if You Hear Me, based on the life and poetry of rapper Tupac Shakur. His latest book of poetry, U.S.(a.) captures some of his thoughts on this country and this moment in history after four years of living abroad in Paris. 

This week on Big Think's podcast Think Again, Saul and host Jason Gots respond to three surprise clips from the interview archives and go deep into everything from war to religion to whether Saul's art is "unpackageable." It's one of our most intense and engaging conversations yet. 

Listen to THINK AGAIN, EPISODE 21 – AN ARMY OF POETS/THE 10,000 THINGS (feat. Saul Williams) 

 

And hear "Horn of the Clock Bike", a track from Saul's upcoming 2016 album Martyr Loser King: 

 

Other ways to listen

HELP! I have no idea what a podcast is or how to get one.

[with extra special thanks to SERIAL podcast for these excellent instructions]

Think of a podcast as a radio show you can get on the internet, so you can listen any time you want.  You have two options: You can listen through a website (this is called streaming). Or, you can download a podcast, which means you're saving it on your phone, or tablet, or computer, and you can listen to it anytime, even without an Internet connection.

To Stream: Go to a website, like www.bigthink.com/thinkagain, and click the play button.

To Download: Get it delivered to your phone or tablet each week using an app.

For iPhones and iPads, use the Podcasts app. You get it from the App Store (it actually comes installed on newer devices). In the Podcasts app, you search for Think Again and then hit subscribe.

For Android phones and tablets, try the Stitcher app. Get that from Google Play. In Stitcher, search for Think Again and click the plus sign (+), to add it to your Favorites List. Now go to the Favorites List.  Tell it to download new episodes by clicking the gear in the upper-right corner.

Have fun!

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About Think Again - A Big Think Podcast: If you've got 10 minutes with Einstein, what do you talk about? Black holes? Time travel? Why not gambling? The Art of War? Contemporary parenting? Some of the best conversations happen when we're pushed outside of our comfort zones. Each week on Think Again, we surprise smart people you've probably heard of with handpicked gems from Big Think's interview archives on every imaginable subject. These conversations could, and do, go just about anywhere.