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Re: Is the American govenment too secretive?
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John McCain
Uploaded on 12/14/2007

Description: McCain says we have to track down the people who want to destroy America.

Transcript: I think that 9/11 probably, for a few good reasons, made the government more secretive so that we wouldn’t betray some of our sources and methods to the enemy. But I do believe that on the signing statement issue where the president has basically made a statement when he signs a bill into law saying that he either will not obey it, or will not implement it, or will only partially implement it, it’s a terrible turn of events. I think it’s a fundamental assault on the balance of powers. I will never as President of the United States issue a signing statement that has anything to do other than how I will implement the law to its fullest degree. On the other aspect of the issue about sources, and methods, and phone records and all that kind of stuff, that’s another manifestation of the gridlock we hear . . . we have here. Why shouldn’t the relevant committees, the intelligence committees and the Executive branch sit down and work out the best way to track down people who want to destroy America, and at the same time preserve individual liberties? And all of that is complicated by the dramatic changes in telecommunications capabilities as we see almost on a daily basis. But we should be able to adjust to that, and in a balanced and bipartisan fashion. Unfortunately we’re not. I’d call over the intelligence committee members, and I’d sit down with them and I’d say, “What’s your problem?” I would try to point out to them what our national security interests are. And I also would tell them that I respect their role. There is a role for Congress in the formulation of these policies, and I will respect it. And I will appeal to their angels . . . better angels of their nature because this is an issue of national security. It should not spill over into national partisanship.

Recorded on: 11/20/07

 

 

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Re: Re: Is the American govenment too secretive?
Simply said, I don't think Mr. McCain is very smart. Which is understandable. I think he takes what comes in the door at any given time and applies whatever variable logic comes to him, which may differ later when the same issues and facts are placed before him in a different way. Too bad for the Republicans-- and maybe for us. Doesn't American need and want an intelligent leader?
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Most intelligent people in America have little or no trust in any branch of the government in my experience. For me, it has mostly to do with the lying, the cover-ups, the double-standards, the foreign violence, the ill-spent tax money, the large-scale corruption, the commodification, the unholy alliance between government, corporate, media and banking powers, the patronizing mannerisms of the right and the grinning apathy of the left, the money we throw into fascist regimes in third-world countries, our blackly humourous sense of freedom, our complete intolerance of autonomy and resistance in other countries, our push for capitalist globalization, et cetera ad nauseum.

What few powers 'we the people' possess, such as the right to vote, do little to alleviate my nagging worry that the government is just getting worse. I have to muster a great deal of self-denial just to act like I'm interested at all in any of the nation's elections, since the voting machines seem completely illegitimate anyway and there is no hope of any real nation-wide change on the horizon. Some might lie to themselves, sure, or feign interest, but I think it's a truism that the intelligent idealists in America who's bread isn't buttered by any arm of the establishment couldn't care less about the election and see everything headed in a downward spiral. I do try and remain positively hopeful about it all when I can, there is a flicker of hope but it's far removed from any American bureaucratic institution.

Still, many of the people I meet don't seem very intelligent, are uninformed of even the most historically recent travesties our government has committed, are ignorant of media's role in an informed society and how dysfunctional it happens to be, care little for the well-being of those in other countries... and also seem genuinely interested in the election (go figure).

Sorry for the derail in my response, though. I would say yes, the government is too secretive - not that it matters anymore, since even the most horrible bits of news it lets out seem to disappear from the collective consciousness. The true enemy of America is America.
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regarding what John McCain said on the topic. I agree of course we porbably do have to keep secrets from our people in order to protect our people from those who may hurt us, However the truth should be told. We should be allowed to know that there is information with held we should not however be given false information, we should be told to wait for the truth and be able to know what actually happened. Be told that once it is safe we can have the truth, but unfortunately that doesn't happen they lie and keep lying. That is what is not right. That is what the people are upset about, and that is why we will not except it.
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