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Tiffany Polanci on January 16, 2008, 3:49 PM

Moby, when exactly have you experienced animals suffereing? Have you visited these "dreadful places"? Ever taken any sort of pain medication, cold medicine? Do you believe your releif from pain, and cold symptoms isn't worth the animals that were used in it's testing?

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damien rotter on January 16, 2008, 4:01 PM

it admire moby concerns
but sometimes the benefits of animals suffering for people outweight the suffering of the animals…however, the idea that peoples opinions are more trustworthy if they are seeing it happen is probably true to me

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Todd Sedlak on January 16, 2008, 6:53 PM

Having the subject of your opinion in your face is no more rationally valid than never having seen it at all. One's reaction to, as the example states, welfare mothers surrounding you would produce an emotionally charged opinion that would have little to do with rational thought. Having experienced suffering might give one perspective, but removing oneself from the stimulus to reflect on it also provides perspective. Perspective is needed just as much as experience in order to form valid, rational thoughts. One must step back from the trees and consider the forest.

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Tiffany Polanci on January 16, 2008, 8:49 PM

Moby, when exactly have you experienced animals suffereing? Have you visited these “dreadful places”? Ever taken any sort of pain medication, cold medicine? Do you believe your releif from pain, and cold symptoms isn’t worth the animals that were used in it’s testing?

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damien rotter on January 16, 2008, 9:01 PM

it admire moby concerns
but sometimes the benefits of animals suffering for people outweight the suffering of the animals…however, the idea that peoples opinions are more trustworthy if they are seeing it happen is probably true to me

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Todd Sedlak on January 16, 2008, 11:53 PM

Having the subject of your opinion in your face is no more rationally valid than never having seen it at all. One’s reaction to, as the example states, welfare mothers surrounding you would produce an emotionally charged opinion that would have little to do with rational thought. Having experienced suffering might give one perspective, but removing oneself from the stimulus to reflect on it also provides perspective. Perspective is needed just as much as experience in order to form valid, rational thoughts. One must step back from the trees and consider the forest.

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logan grathwell on January 18, 2008, 6:17 PM

if you stopped making music then that would stop suffering

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logan grathwell on January 18, 2008, 11:17 PM

if you stopped making music then that would stop suffering


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