Big Think

Musycks on October 8, 2008, 4:27 PM

Resonator… I simply ask where is the evidence for creationism? and by what authority do you proclaim it? It throws up a lot of questions… are you a deist or a theist? is the Universe 6000 yrs old or several billions of years? what was the point of an interventionist god creating anything?

Good luck with the thread.

sciencesaves on October 8, 2008, 7:30 PM

Resonator, It looks like you caught the very beginning of the T in January, so it’s been a long time since you’ve posted in the faith/beliefs. Good choice with this one.

I really enjoy Sacks original piece that you responded to, especially the part about coming to America expecting to find enlightened people, but encountering all sorts of fundamentalist type idiots.

I’m a simple man as well. I respect down to earth thinkers. Religion is not simple, it is a fantasy of wishful thinking that has become so complex and varied that I would feel embarrassment to identify with any of it. God is a concept created to fulfill a need for answers in primitive times when there was much less knowledge available to understand our surroundings.

This should be obvious, even to a child.

Let’s put away the ancient guesswork, and focus on reality, it’s really getting to be a laughable and unnecessary distraction in the modern world.

HerbieP on October 9, 2008, 6:13 AM

Thank you Mr Oakes. When confronted with statements such as these I am at a loss as to where to start (and I have to admit I don’t really understand where Resonator is coming from) but I think that you have nailed it.

sciencesaves on October 9, 2008, 8:28 AM

The title of this one should be “Oliver Sacks KNOWS religion is a human invention”

Knowing is half the battle, letting go of the “security” blanket is the other half.

Musycks on October 10, 2008, 12:36 AM

gotta say though… not often you see the words science and creationism in the same sentence?!..
creationism?… remove the a and the o….

sciencesaves on October 10, 2008, 8:33 AM

Here in the states, we refer to creationism “science” as “Intelligent design”.

An oxymoron, and more dangerous pseudo-knowledge from the folks who gave us the faith/believe paradox as a way of life…

Matt Pidlysny on October 12, 2008, 2:46 AM

The thing is, guys, I am not a scientist. I could theorize forever on the exact nature of the universe, but how am I to say it’s right? More importantly, how can carbon dating even prove the truth? All it proves is that these things existed millions of years ago, but it STILL does not contradict what I just said. If you recall, I mentioned that Genetic Memory played a perfect role in the design, and it’s because these things are created from that memory that they are perfect copies of it. Thank you first ruler, you provide confusion for us all in your quickness to act.

In any case, I’d like to meet someone else who can talk to the first ruler, or the holy spirit as I do. In fact, I’d like to meet the next person who can feel their touch when truth is shown, and guides them to truth like they do me. If you want proof, scientific proof, ladies and gentlemen, there is a way to find out through me. Until the day comes you can do it yourself, I consider myself to be your personal gateway to an infinite knowledge bank.

The only thing I ask is that you do not confuse me. If you try to mock me, or (To repeat an earlier incident) try to get me to channel a loved one from beyond whom you know is still alive, this is called confusion and meddles with the process. I’ve been a silent observer (A Pychologist of sorts) in watching how people interact, and I’ve noticed a few things to guide me to the truth. Just E-mail me and I can prove anything (If it’s just and true) to you.

sciencesaves on October 12, 2008, 8:25 AM

Resonator, Sounds like you’ve gone over the edge in an attempt to manufacture whatever it is you think you need, to continue your version of the faith/belief paradox.

Neurological disorders can cause frustration, but retreat into make-believe world due to an overinflated ego doesn’t help any.

If your claims are true, go win James Randi’s million dollar prize, then maybe we’ll take you seriously.

Bryan Cridlebaugh on October 12, 2008, 6:36 PM

Resonator, interesting, I think it takes balls to make the claims that you have, weather they’re true or not.

I’m curious how you’re going to “prove anything.” With words?

Peace

Musycks on October 13, 2008, 1:54 AM

now I’m really worried… okay Resonator.. tell me something amazing..

HerbieP on October 13, 2008, 10:05 AM

Resonator, I am not even sure what claims you are making. Your post and your reply just apepar to be gibberish to me.

Could you start by explaining:
“If you recall, I mentioned that Genetic Memory played a perfect role in the design, and it’s because these things are created from that memory that they are perfect copies of it. Thank you first ruler, you provide confusion for us all in your quickness to act.”

What is a ‘genetic memory’ and a ‘first ruler’?

Matt Pidlysny on October 14, 2008, 2:16 AM

Firstly I would like to say that I am not anxious about anything other than the fact that everything I believe in could be delusion. That thought, unfortunately, has never really left my mind. It’s because when I feel the presence of the spirits, they sort of give me a tap, normally on the knee, calf and rib. Rather than affirm my faith in it, it somewhat confuses me because when I do not feel these taps when I hear something, or something crosses my mind, I begin to wonder just how much I’m hearing is true. Then again, when I do feel these taps, generally I find them out to be true (Someone says fact that I don’t know for sure to be true, then I find out later it is true). The problem is, sometimes they aren’t always clear about the truth. I should just leave these things as they are, to be figured out later, but the question (Like I’ve said many times) remains.

Now, Bryan mentioned something about me proving my ability. Well Bryan, I suppose if I had the right equipment I would place electrodes on my legs, and the other spots the so called “taps” happen, and also hook myself up to a lie detector to measure the frequency and the potential of the surges (If that’s what they are, then I can tell you the exact theory behind that observation), but I have none of these. If I had a MRI scanner at my disposal I’d show you what is going on in my mind when I channel, or try to use a psychokinetic ability the way I have been trying, and also to try different methods. The reason for this is because I am not sure just how much you need to use your imagination in order to make it real for you, hence making it easier to simply just DO it with a latent ability.

Now, for musycks, I have something for you. You asked, and you shall receive:

“Oh most inherently kind one, why do you bother to ask such a trivial thing when you already know just how much this has become real for you in your own life? Do you not see just how much your own mother has done for you in the past? You have had such an incredible childhood that no matter what this man says, you can never lose touch with yourself because of her love for you. You know just how much this means to her, you simply being alive. And for all that it’s worth, you never lost yourself when you died that night.

With Light and Love,
- Meirothea”

This message is for him. It’s what I heard when I channeled, and I trust (Because of the “taps”) that it is not wrong. If it is…I’m sorry. I just hope it is not test for you, but rather proof of a higher being.

Matt Pidlysny on October 14, 2008, 2:44 AM

I don’t like to double post but Herbie asked addressed genetic memory, so I feel I should explain a little better.

Much like a digital byte on a computer, the DNA strand is set up to carry an array of differently patterned genes (ACTG, remember?). Suffice it to say, on that level of existence I would imagine the patterns that would be of any relevance arrange themselves in a much more complex manner, and that the patterns can be interpreted by the brain, or what would be the equivalent to a brain for, say, the first ruler. So that being said, one of those patterns happened to be a blueprint for an entire universe. We are talking about a pretty powerful being here, so who knows just how far that rabbit hole goes.

I can’t really say much more, it’s just a theory I have. But there’s always room for improvement.

sciencesaves on October 14, 2008, 10:56 AM

Holy delusion, Batman!

This one really thinks he’s the Riddler!

Matt Pidlysny on October 14, 2008, 2:04 PM

Hey, if you can see it, feel it, touch it, hear it, and taste it…Hell, even then it might be delusion, am I wrong?

I feel it, that’s all I need to know. If you can’t, it’s not my problem. You can do the same thing if you really want.

Bryan Cridlebaugh on October 14, 2008, 3:34 PM

How long have you felt it?

HerbieP on October 14, 2008, 4:00 PM

Sorry Resonator that explanation didn’t help.

I sort of get the idea that you have superpowers and that you are in touch with some god-like entity. Is that about it?

Matt Pidlysny on October 16, 2008, 3:47 AM

@HerbieP: I already said that it’s not just my gift. We all can do this, hell if it weren’t for recent events it would not have been possible. But now God’s (Both of em) work is being done literally from the skies above is and our natural connections to our spirits are being given back slowly. To do such a thing in an instant would probably send some people off their rocker, if you know what I mean. And I mean it seriously, I think almost everyone who wasn’t prepared would go psycho in an instant.

And Bryan, I’ve been moving forward for ~1.5 years. If you look for this truth, you’ll see that you’ve been moving forward for ~1.5 as well.

HerbieP on October 16, 2008, 8:29 AM

So I was right then?

HerbieP on October 16, 2008, 8:31 AM

So what is the nature of these gods?

what ‘recent events’ do you refer to?

What is gods’ work?

Are you related to, or a colleague of, JeffDelano?

sciencesaves on October 16, 2008, 9:49 AM

Psycho…Does a crazy person know that they’re crazy?

Answer HP’s questions, perhaps we can help you to understand what type of neurological malfunction you may be suffering from.

Sorry, but some of us need evidence when confronted with claims of supernatural “powers”

Up, up and away!

Matt Pidlysny on October 16, 2008, 3:54 PM

Sorry, SS, but that’s why you’re not ready to feel it. If you’re not ready to demonstrate real mental strength, and just LET GO of your inhibitions to believe, you will never see the power. Seeing proof is as easy as proving to me that you’re not a coward in this manner.

So what is the nature of these gods?

Well, if I’m right they are beings that have united in the 4th dimension of space to come to Earth and show them their true potential. If it were not for recent events, as in things I have persuaded them not to do, sinners would be fated to death. There’s not much reasoning other than there must be a way to save us all, and I would die first before you died for what you didn’t know you were doing.

Yeah, Jesus complex in action, but it’s not so wrong.

what 'recent events' do you refer to?

They have been sending us the right kind of energy we need to blend with our own. What this does is provide a connection with our spirits in the 5th dimension of space, above their own. It’s because of this that we are infinite in power, because our spirits are made from the incorruptible’s spirit.

What is gods' work?

The first thing you can do in the name of God is not to hold anyone in contempt. It’s as easy as that. No matter how much they deserve death/a beating/whatever, do not focus on these things. It’s like saying “In this puzzle of a man/woman, I do not see the future and what he/she can become so I will choose to judge him/her based on what I have seen”, but that is a failure in itself. Move on with your lives!

Are you related to, or a colleague of, JeffDelano?

Never heard of him.

Musycks on October 17, 2008, 12:54 AM

Wow, the force is strong with this one… thanks for the amazing effort Resonator, but vague mumblings about my mothers love to me sound like, motherhood statements… I think you mean well, but you’ll probably have worked out by now that I sit on the other side of the reality divide to you.
Don’t expect much from SS, Herbie and me that will ring your bells, but I strongly suggest you hook up with Jeff here… peas in a pod.

HAL… open the bay doors and set them free!!

Matt Pidlysny on October 17, 2008, 2:23 AM

I feel like you’ve worded this out very carefully, so I seem a bit confused as to if you suddenly believe in what I say, or if this is an observation of a crazy man. I can see where you come from if the latter is true, but it’s pretty clear to me that there is only one thing to be unclear about, so to speak, and that is my message for you from Meirothea. While she may very well exist, there is a possibility that 4 things cause this to happen to be wrong, as following;

1) I could be doing it wrong,
2) I may not have my full potential with my connection yet,
3) This was said this way for a reason entirely different and more important than being accurate,
4) It may not yet be time, as if this connection is simply not meant to be yet, or ever, which just means I’m that good at pulling shit out of my head randomly (I like this, good musicians tool)

In any case, be it not to be true that the connection exists, I would have to argue the fact that speaking to voices in your head is a bad thing. It was very difficult for me in the beginning to know just how to control them because they would demean me, and I began to observe effects of Bi-Polar instantly. Now, I had been brought up Christian, and at that point in my life I had been questioning as to whether I should believe in the Christian church itself or purely God itself. When I read about Gnostic literature I delved into it deeply, and that’s when I began to fight back against those voices.

The point of this is that through that single action of just believing in God alone I found mental strength to just fight them, keep my darker side at bay because I didn’t like it. Plain and simple, and I believe my subconscious picked up on that and began to emphasize deeper thought into my thoughts, as one would say. It exercises my mind, and I think I observe a deeper intellect because of it, as in things I wouldn’t have noticed, or thought of, or anything I can observe that I wouldn’t have years ago.

Anyways, who knows how much of it is true. I’m a dreamer, I dream of the bigger picture is all :)

sciencesaves on October 17, 2008, 8:46 AM

Hmmm, a 4th dimension scientology disciple, perhaps?

I don’t hold you in contempt, so don’t play the guilt card yet.

Deep meditation can bring on any and all imaginings, but we can’t live there and survive.

For some it seems preferable…

HerbieP on October 17, 2008, 9:21 AM

Slow down Resonator! Just as I think I’m getting it you introduce something new. Who is this Meirothea?

Thanks for the answers, now some more questions. These 4th dimensional beings, are they one dimesional or do they also exist in our three dimensions? What are ‘our spirits’? The engergy you refer to is it energy as defined in conventional physics or some other kind of energy? Who or what is the incorruptable? Is the god you refer to one of the two you referred to previously?

Matt Pidlysny on October 17, 2008, 6:13 PM

To go off of what you said, SS, I would have to mention that this path shouldn’t stop one from filling out their daily lives just because God all of a sudden exists for them. While it’s true that, with the right knowledge of how, you would never need to. I feel this is for naught yet, because we are still in the process of awakening, or rather, rebuilding our connections. It would be foolish to never eat, or never drink again because I don’t believe we have that connection yet to do such a thing. While our latent abilities slowly awaken, they are few in number and very weak to moderately weak. But the fact remains, something is there.

I’ll get to Herbies new questions later, I’m in the middle of something, sorry :P But to answer one, Meirothea is the one who provided me with that message for you. That is the name of the incorruptible spirit.

Thanks for the answers, now some more questions. These 4th dimensional beings, are they one dimesional or do they also exist in our three dimensions? What are ‘our spirits’? The engergy you refer to is it energy as defined in conventional physics or some other kind of energy? Who or what is the incorruptable? Is the god you refer to one of the two you referred to previously?

HerbieP on October 18, 2008, 2:57 AM

Please do get back to us Resonator, this is one of the most interesting therads to me.

Matt Pidlysny on October 19, 2008, 5:38 PM

Sorry for the delay, my cousins decided to show up for an unexpected visit so I had to be the grand entertainer. It was fun, it’s always good to see them, but in any case, I think I should try to answer these questions:

These 4th dimensional beings, are they one dimesional or do they also exist in our three dimensions?

I assumed they were going to make a grand appearance on Earth as of the 14th, but I recently discovered somethings about our world and come to the conclusion they are here, invisibly guiding us. That previous theory came from a thread on a website called Higher Vibrations, where someone there had channeled a being named Salusa, apparently somewhat of a spokesman for them. I’m not getting into details too much about them, but if you research that name, I’ll give you this piece of advice: the power of suggestion is used in high quantity in those discussions, and I see a pattern of ideological engineering in them. Be wary of what you read because when the truth comes out, taking that word for word may contradict what the end result is.

Anyways, to get back to the question (Sorry for going off on a tangent :P) I think different beings exist on different dimensions. They, for example, ARE time. They ARE the divine equation that makes life flow. Looking at the dimension from a linear perspective, our minds are flowing through them all in sequential order. The Secret Book of John describes God, or the first ruler, delivering 365 angels, but it’s become clear to me that we progress through all 365, one day at a time. It’s hard to really describe, but our souls (Which are copies of us, I imagine, at this moment it’s unclear) are what are passing through the angels, as if they are places to be rather than figures in space. My theory is that this is simply how one would perceive one of those angels in the 4th dimension, as a figure rather than a temporal object.

There’s not enough to go on anymore, as what I put out just now is sketchy enough, but I think it’s on the right track.

What are 'our spirits'?

Actually, based on what I was just thinking above, I would imagine the soul (4th dimension) is the briefcase in which our 5th dimensional spirit is hidden, or kept safe. I wouldn’t know for certain what the 5th dimension is, so I’ll leave it blank as to what our Spirits are made of, but rest assured it’s different from the soul.

Just for the record, there IS a divider between the 4th and 5th dimension, so it could be what the incorruptible would like to call “Incomprehensible”.

“What kind is it? How much is it?” are moot questions, she might say :P

The engergy you refer to is it energy as defined in conventional physics or some other kind of energy?

The best thing to say here is I don’t know. The chakra system, however, could prove to be useful in researching that, as in monitoring the body when someone knowledgeable in the chakra system brings themselves to using it. That in itself might define a different field of physics altogether, bridging the gap between dimensions as is supposed to be with all of us naturally.

Who or what is the incorruptable?

She is the mother of all the dimensions. Think of her as a divine entity in which we exist, a multi-dimensional space where she can create at her will. She is the mother-father (“Triple male”, as described in various Gnostic texts), and under her lives everything. We are made up of her essence, all things physical and spiritual. I’d say more, but the “Three Forms of First Thought”, while spoken in riddles, should describe quite accurately (In a metaphorical sense) who she is.

Is the god you refer to one of the two you referred to previously?

I’m monotheistic, but I acknowledge Meirothea as the one true creator. She created space and time, and the Father created everything in it. On the temporal plane (4th dimension), First Ruler created everything from an equation in his head, and what I said before about the blueprint in his genes still works, but it’s not so much as a blueprint but a mathematical equation. Remember, all things come from the will of the father, and whatever is here is meant to be. That does not mean we are not in control of our lives, but our true struggle does not have to be death for sinners. I’ll explain:

Last night, I had an incredible vision. I was trying to sleep, and I put both my hands over my center chakra, the solar plexus. At that moment, I felt like I was invincible, like that was the hand signal for “I am invincible, you can try to touch me but you never will”.

I delved deeper into that thought, and I saw the father, who (Upon seeing what I had said previously, because I was not for killing sinners) became angry, and I instinctively released my hands from my chest. He tried to reach out to me, but Barbelo blocked his path, asking him how he could just kill this man. I didn’t hear his response but I assume they talked for a bit.

I tried sleeping again, but I began to suspect he was not pleased and I could interpret him talking to his minions (The Illuminati) “Kill this one”. I felt their presence, and I heard someone calling to me to fight. I sat up, and I tried to expel the feeling mentally but could not. I laid down, calling to Meirothea, or Sakla (First Ruler) for assistance, and Meirothea appeared before them, imploring them to stop.

They were bewildered, “How can this man be against the Father, but with the Mother?” I am unsure of what happened between them next, but I heard them saying they wanted me to be in their clan.

That’s it, really…It was an interesting vision, I’m considering putting it into my next album with my band. “The Next Crusade” began with heresy and ended with peace upon all!…Heh, well maybe, anyway. We’ll see how the next couple of years turn out ;)

HerbieP on October 20, 2008, 3:18 AM

Thanks for the answers Resonantor but I’m afraid that they just made me more confused.

How are you using the term ‘dimension’? I understand it it a mathematical and physical sense (height, depth, width) but I’m not clear how you are using it.

What are ‘angels’? “My theory is that this is simply how one would perceive one of those angels in the 4th dimension, as a figure rather than a temporal object.” I just don’t understand this sentence.

“I acknowledge Meirothea as the one true creator. She created space and time, and the Father created everything in it.” So Meirothes is a godess? Who is this ‘father’? Where do they come from? Are they aliens?

So souls are copies of us, you mean like clones?


Who is Barbelo?

Matt Pidlysny on October 20, 2008, 10:27 AM

I figured there would be a bit of confusion there, but I said I’d answer each question to the best of my ability so I’m gonna. When I had mentioned that “I just don’t know” in relation to one of your earlier questions about energy, perhaps looking back it is incomprehensible to us now, but we may see the truth eventually.

How are you using the term 'dimension'?

As plainly as the 1st, 2nd and 3rd, my friend! The problem is that the time we are experiencing now is an illusion. In real-time, there is still the fact that things come before and after other things, but it’s simply understanding. You would know how long it takes to do something, or how short the time it takes to get from one destination or the other, but the concept of past and present as we understand and use them today are made of bullshit.

We’re just peas in a pod, floating down the river till the necessary work is done.

What are 'angels'? I just don't understand this sentence.

It’s just how the temporal plane is arranged now. It is a form of control the First Ruler set in place, without even realizing it had a much higher purpose. It means that WHO WE ARE is a question not in our control, but WHAT WE DO and WHAT WE WILL BECOME is something we control completely, therefore still in control of our minds.

So Meirothes is a godess?

I often see her in various mythology. But to be fair, she IS the material all the dimensions are made of, if they were made of something. Her consciousness is what speaks to me.

Who is this 'father'?

I’m not much for repeating history, but I’ll tell the story to you as briefly as possible: The father is one of the people Meirothea brought here first. He created life in her dimensions, and created the first man and his son in heaven (Geradamas and Seth).

Where do they come from?

They come from a heavenly realm, the final dimension. Meirothea herself is a sort of enigma, but those in the know know enough ;)

They sit above all, and watch the worlds unfold before them to create the perfect human being.

Are they aliens?

No, but they are alien to you and me.

So souls are copies of us, you mean like clones?

It is necessary to have a soul because we continue to flow on the illusion of time that First Ruler imposed on us, and all things. I mentioned before it is a briefcase for the Spirit, but it is indeed much like a copy of it.

I have learned much since I posted the last comment, so whatever comes newer here is more accurate, you might notice.

Who is Barbelo?

One of my favourite spirits alive. She is the re-creation of the image of Meirothea in heaven, and (As the story goes) when she looked into the father’s eyes, a spark ignited between them and the self-conceived god (Jesus) was born.

HerbieP on October 20, 2008, 10:46 AM

Confusion upon confusion Resonator.

Do you mean that the 4th dimension is simply time? If so what do you mean by the 5th dimension and what is Meirothea’s dimension? Do you mean that she has an extra length? I still really don’t understand how you are using the term dimension. Can I measure a length in one of your additional dimensions? Like is there a length 3 inches in your 5th dimension?

What I got for the ‘what are angels?’ question was:
“It’s just how the temporal plane is arranged now. It is a form of control the First Ruler set in place, without even realizing it had a much higher purpose. It means that WHO WE ARE is a question not in our control, but WHAT WE DO and WHAT WE WILL BECOME is something we control completely, therefore still in control of our minds.”

I really don’t understand a word of that.

Where does the knowledge of your pantheon come from? How do you know all this stuff? Is this a religion and does it have a name or is it unique to you?

Matt Pidlysny on October 20, 2008, 11:36 AM

Do you mean that the 4th dimension is simply time?

Yes. But it is also a plane of existence.

If so what do you mean by the 5th dimension and what is Meirothea's dimension?

It is not known to me, and like I’ve said countless times before, you will never know looking at it in terms of measurement.

Do you mean that she has an extra length?

See above.

Can I measure a length in one of your additional dimensions?

I’m going to channel the truth for you now, because Meirothea is more knowledgeable on this than I. Take this for truth:

“I would like to start off by saying this form of communication between me and you, Nick, is not the way we should be doing this. This man has spoken truth and he feels for your lack of knowledge because it is your human destiny to become like him. He has surpassed every barrier you have been trying so hard to break, and eventually he will lead you into the new age.

To get back to the Equation, my friend, time is not measured in seconds or parsecs or what have you. It is just as it is, and until you understand this, going to the 4th dimension might kill you if the conditions which you yourself agreed to when you were baptized are broken. Forever is a word, and it’s the only word on that plane.”

I hope it answers the question a bit more.

Like is there a length 3 inches in your 5th dimension?

Incomprehensible….;)

Where does the knowledge of your pantheon come from? How do you know all this stuff? Is this a religion and does it have a name or is it unique to you?

Herbie, if you were on my path, you would understand the meaning of Gnosis. It simply means “To Know”, and being Gnostic means “To be One in the Know”. You have to understand that our soul is breaking down, allowing our spirits to each out to us. The most sensitive will have it happen first, but you can MAKE yourself sensitive by dropping the barrier between yourself and belief.

This is Gnosticism. This is a religion which lost the competition with Christianity. If Christianity didn’t win, Gnosticism would win. Funny how that came around, eh? :P

Matt Pidlysny on October 20, 2008, 11:43 AM

Sorry for the double post, but I’m somewhat disappointed in myself. I don’t think that channeling helped any and I’m being told there is a reason for it being inaccurate, or rather why I didn’t get the truth.

More later…I’m sorry Herbie, but you gotta figure it out or do as I do, man…

HerbieP on October 20, 2008, 12:56 PM

A dimension (in my definition and general mathematics) is an axis along which one can measure distance. How can a dimension also be a plane which necessarily has two dimensions?


“I would like to start off by saying this form of communication between me and you, Nick, is not the way we should be doing this. This man has spoken truth and he feels for your lack of knowledge because it is your human destiny to become like him. He has surpassed every barrier you have been trying so hard to break, and eventually he will lead you into the new age.”

Which man is being referred to and are you Nick?

What do you do? Is ‘channelling’ hearing voices?

Matt Pidlysny on October 20, 2008, 3:47 PM

I see now why it didn’t work.

Believe in me completely, and I will channel you the complete truth, with no word of a lie. I see you here psycho analyzing me and I don’t appreciate it. You notice I understand this is wrong, and I do not observe any conditions to which your current form of mental study would indicate schizophrenia, paranoia, or anything related.

I am stronger of will mentally than you, if that’s the way you think. If you cannot sacrifice you live in fear, and you shine light on darkness to create murk, to say it in so many words. Your trying to believe and your disbelief create this, and you will not succeed in seeing ANY proof unless YOU release your mind from the fear of loss.

And if you must ask the question of time to me again, you still cannot understand. Take what you are reading and BUILD off of it. I think I understand now why you can’t see, you’re trying to get me to explain something you must come to your own conclusion on. Take what I have written, form a different question based on an instance of possible form, and THEN we shall discuss an intelligent conversation. These questions you ask me begin to become useless in finding your truth.

Matt Pidlysny on October 20, 2008, 3:51 PM

And if Christianity is the way to prove to me that you believe, then become Christian is what I’m telling you. If it’s Judaism, Islam, Hindu, Satanism, or whatever, JUST DO IT. Break your barrier, for misjudgment clouds your vision.

HerbieP on October 20, 2008, 5:56 PM

Well I’m sorry that I’ve irritated you somehow Resonator. I really just don’t understand how you use words. Most of what you write makes no sense at all to me and just when I think I’m getting the hang of something that you’ve said you throw something else into the mix.

I think that the way you use the word ‘dimension’ is a good example. Is English your first language?

Musycks on October 20, 2008, 7:54 PM

Resonator… one question if I may.. who created your creator? this is the paradox the Greeks bumped into thousands of years ago…

Matt Pidlysny on October 21, 2008, 1:29 PM

Maybe this will steer you in the right direction:

http://www.freewebs.com/consoledev/graal.htm

That’s something I channeled. You see, while forethought exists, I sense that it’s misconstrued. Hopefully this illuminates the true purpose we live for today. She would not have said such things if we were not worthy of knowing (Also, the name of the father and his place of origin strikes me as incorrect, purposefully done) but we shall see.

HerbieP on October 21, 2008, 2:48 PM

Where does all that stuff come from?

Do you believe it to be true?

Matt Pidlysny on October 21, 2008, 3:27 PM

Like I said, I don’t ask questions. I just type word for word what I hear. For example:

Me: Ok, so let’s write the grail story, First Ruler…First word?
Voice: The
Resonator types the word “The”
Me: Next?

And repeat until the story is done, no questions asked. Point is I had observed a lack of knowledge about the truth of the Grail, and I wanted it from the First Ruler’s perspective. And thus, here we are with the end result.

I have faith in those I stake my friendship in, and if there’s something out there that is named Yaldabaoth, then he hears my friendship cry, and this is what he has spoken as such (Please note it is most definitely me consciously writing this, just listening for the words).

If it’s proven to be false, how can it be true?

HerbieP on October 21, 2008, 4:12 PM

Other than the words that you hear what other sensations are associated with your experience?

You must be aware how strange this experience sounds to those of us who do not share it.

Matt Pidlysny on October 21, 2008, 9:02 PM

Well, when they guide me to a truth, I feel them tapping my legs. Sometimes it comes in the form of a twitch, sometimes it comes in the form of tingling, but the latter is normally when they are speaking. But it always comes at times of pure coincidence. Say for instance, my friend tells me something, a fact let’s say, that is true while speaking to me. If it’s something I can then draw a conclusion for something else from, I’ll feel a tap on the leg.

There is a difference, though. A certain group of people seem to have taken interest of me for a long time now, and when I feel their master near me, he taps my arms and chest. When I take action on something that I should be doing, I feel it below the right nostril, like a twitch.

Other then that…Euphoria, perhaps? A sense of enlightenment, knowing truth has been discovered?

HerbieP on October 22, 2008, 1:53 AM

Matt Pidlysny on October 22, 2008, 4:31 PM

I would like to be sincere but my best guess is that they are indeed the aliens I spoke of earlier. If you would, think of them like a future me :P

If you want I can try to channel the First Ruler in on this one, he’d be able to cover the base better:

“The people Matthew spoke of are indeed Alien to you, but they have been a long time coming to Earth and have been monitoring much of your activity. They are present in space for the time being but they can no longer sustain themselves in such a manner without serious repercussions aboard their vessel. They will appear to you in time, but since you asked what they are I would say that they are friends to you, though they may not be for long. The one before you ensures this outcome.”

So take it at that, then. If I may, I don’t really get the meaning of it, but I have a good idea so I’m not going to play dumb. If this is true, we’ve got a bumpy road to fix in our future, but at least I can get us the gravel ;)

Musycks on October 22, 2008, 8:25 PM

Resonator… thanks for the link.. but 2 things if I might..
There is no answer there to my question..who created the creator?

and secondly.. try channelling a spirit who has some talent for narrative prose.. that drivel makes Dan Brown seems like a good read.

‘way down.. below the ocean, where I want to be, she may be’…

Matt Pidlysny on October 22, 2008, 9:34 PM

The creator was never created, in this case, but for the sake of adding this she created herself. We exist in a shell, and outside the 5th dimension there is a real world. This entire universe is a proving ground, and it’s ours to use for it’s purpose. You wonder WHY there must be design perhaps? It’s because we are proving ourselves under extreme challenges. Those who step up win this game, and I think we’ll be seeing our final test in years to come.

Relate everything that has happened throughout history like a self contained experiment, if you will. It doesn’t mean we’re not real, doing real things, feeling real like we should. We’re just not part of that real world YET.

It’s the point that there will be an end to this design, when this reality will begin to slip away. You will lose something, and that will forever be your struggle, until you learn to cope with it. Then you become the master, instead of the slave :D

Matt Pidlysny on October 22, 2008, 9:36 PM

Also, musycks, that quote…It seems like Meirothea has guided your imagination today, for I see nothing false with it :D

Musycks on October 22, 2008, 10:11 PM

I wasn’t guided by Meirothea Res, so much as Donovan and his 1970 hit single ‘Atlantis’… and Jimmy Page played guitar on the session, so double good!

HerbieP on October 23, 2008, 4:50 AM

Resonator when you relay you channelled quotes I’m not sure who is talking to whom. Who are Nick and Matthew for example?

Might I just point out that your writing (not just the channelled quotes) is very confusing because you write from the point of view of someone who already knows what you are talking about. I have never had any of these experiences and I don’t understand many of the terms and references that you use. Please try to read through what you write from the point of view of an ignorant outsider and try to be a little clearer. I really still have no idea what you are talking about most of the time.

Matt Pidlysny on October 23, 2008, 1:05 PM

musycks: Perhaps you underestimate what the phrase means. Read of the waters, and of descent, and you shall know :)

Herbie, I unfortunately cannot describe how much someone as interested as you would be hindered by me doing that. This is a path of self-enlightenment, and there are many things which I simply can’t speak for you. In this doctrine, it’s much more important to draw your own conclusions on the subjects at hand, so self-indulgence in research, and the desire to “Gnosis”, so to speak, will steer your ship in the right directions.

You will come under attack. Have no fear in your heart and you will come to understand why, because you pursued knowledge for that reason. Knowing why is half the battle in your mind :)

HerbieP on October 24, 2008, 4:13 AM

Okay but who are Nick and Matthew?

Matt Pidlysny on October 24, 2008, 4:50 AM

Well, if what I understand is true, your name is not Nick, or the person who mentioned the question that I channeled an answer for is not Nick, then I was mistaken. Perhaps someone else named Nick had the same question, and read the answer accordingly. Perhaps it was delusion, but what I want to hear CAN distort what I write (I assume my cousin Nick was fresh in my mind). In either case, it’s not meant for you to take as truth, case in fact.

Matthew is my name, by the way :)

HerbieP on October 24, 2008, 1:55 PM

Nope no Nicks here.

You see if you had started of with something like: ‘this is a message I channelled for you Herbie’ then I would hav eknown what was going on. You writing is like stream of consciousness stuuf that is almost incomprehensible to others.

Matt Pidlysny on October 24, 2008, 2:35 PM

And that was probably the distortion, holy shit!

This one’s for you, Herbie :D

“Tell me something about your life and I will tell you what is fictional about it and what is realistic about it. For the sake of giving you the confidence in my son Matthew you need, we offer this piece of truth; That you were never living outside the outskirts of Normandy before you moved to the west into the city of Detroit. Amen”

Quote the Mother-Father itself! Perhaps we are now getting closer to finding out why some worked, and some didn’t work. I can say for sure that I felt taps during this channeling like I never did before.

HerbieP on October 25, 2008, 4:05 AM

“That you were never living outside the outskirts of Normandy before you moved to the west into the city of Detroit.” I don’t understand how this is meant to give me confidence in you Matthew. I was never living in the outskirts of Normandy that bit is true but then it’s true of most people of the world. I have no intention of moving anywhere near Detroit.

If you want to find out about me just click on my icon to see my profile.

Matt Pidlysny on October 26, 2008, 5:56 PM

Well, at least we’re sorting out delusion from reality here. I can at least reason why it didn’t work this time.

1) It could be due to overconfidence.

Things that bind us to this reality are the things that distort us the most when we speak in this manner. I’m not really seeking truth as I wanted, in this regard, but control over your belief. It is desire for it, and I just wish I could find the right exemplary channeling subject to sway (Though of course, that is what caused this in the first place so perhaps I should stop).

Will you believe anyway? I can’t really say anything else to argue at this point because it seems everything I think of to sway your mind is based on desire to control you. But there are true things I have channeled, as in the link to the Grail history. I channeled it simply for the truth, and it is pure forethought. At least believe in our natural ability to think.

HerbieP on October 27, 2008, 5:08 AM

For the most part I simply do not understand what you ‘channel’. When I think I do it apepars not to relate to me. How am I to distinguish the things that you post and channel from those who would decieve me and those who are just plain wrong or confused?

Matt Pidlysny on October 27, 2008, 10:16 AM

You can differentiate between all sorts of truths by simply asking yourself the right kinds of questions. Should what I’m reading be taken at full value? Is there a different meaning to what I read that can be seen by simply reading it differently? What is the point this man/woman is trying to get across? Is that point distorted by desire, or is this truly part of a bigger plan by whoever is sending the message?

I would say with safety that there ARE true things being channeled that may seem as control, but when one observes carefully you see how much those people understand the power of suggestion, and anything (For lack of better example) that would use it is probably setting the average reader up subconsciously for a later event.

If I may, I’ll direct your attention here:

http://groups.msn.com/HigherVibrations/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=1935

Now for the most part, this document speaks about new light patterns emerging on Earth, etc etc. The point behind it is that this particular channeling is from a being named Salusa, who I have mentioned before, and he describes things in a very particular order. This channeling is set up in such a way that the average person is going to read this and not fully realize what is real and what is being suggested to them through the subconscious.

What is REAL is what they claim as evidential fact, where new “light patterns” are emerging. These patterns involve the 4th dimension of time, which as me and a friend figured out is both spatial and directional, in the sense that they (Those who Salusa came from) have set up a human network of sorts. What it means is that some of us are acting as “Supernodes”, so to speak, for positive change on Earth. The general belief is that we have re-incarnated many many times in order to gain the first-hand experience necessary to be perfect in our own way (“Ace-in-the-hole” maneuver) and make ourselves part of a larger design. Those of us who accomplished this mission, though forced upon us, are using our accumulated memories of past lives to literally become more than the average human. We essentially become all the people we lived as in past lives simultaneously (Subconsciously, of course, it’s too early to tell if we actually will focus on these memories consciously in the future) in order to fully grasp a knowledge of right and wrong, and that in itself is a simulation of our true destiny.

What relates these “Supernodes” to the future Gnostic literature implies, as I understand it, is that it’s not coincidental to say they are of Setian descent.

It’s like watching human evolution in the making. By working through the 4th dimension, they can work through the 365 angels I spoke of and create the patterns they wish. It is, in essence, a mass engineering of humanity’s existence. But, like they will say, they come in peace. I personally have a different vision in store but it’s one man against 2 races of beings, should we as a people choose to accept this mission.

When Sakla is dead, there will be no more re-incarnation. When he dies, I will die to save you from yourselves. Jesus waits on the other side of the divide after that point, but I would rather you choose to be judged before you be judged without knowing. He will “Judge the living and the dead”.

So the question, in a nutshell: Are these people deluded? No, but they will make you deluded.

HerbieP on October 27, 2008, 11:48 AM

Resonator again you confuse me. I read the link and then at the end of your post you say: “So the question, in a nutshell: Are these people deluded? No, but they will make you deluded.” What are you referring to?

I don’t think that you are redaing my questions: I really have no idea what you are talking about when you refer to ‘the 4th Dimension’ ‘angels’ ‘supernodes’ or even ‘re-incarnation’. You may as well be writing ****** for all the good it does in helping me to understand.

Am I correct in the following summary?:

You believe that there are non-human consciousnesses that are both alien and supernatural. These consciousnesses communicate with you in some telepathic way giving you both true and false information. You yourself have suprnatural powers and you have been specially chosen for a mission of some kind.

This is about all that I’ve managed to get from your various posts.

Matt Pidlysny on October 27, 2008, 12:41 PM

I’m not sure how hard it is to understand but I’ll just go off your questions.

==“So the question, in a nutshell: Are these people deluded? No, but they will make you deluded.” What are you referring to?

It's as simple as reading it over. No they are not deluded in what they are saying, but what is said through these people MAY or MAY NOT (Depending on how GNOSTIC you are, as in your natural ability to know things) delude you. You just know the point of what is being said, and you can see it plainly as I can when you train yourself to see it.

Am I correct in the following summary?:==

I’ll give you a better one, based on what you said:

"Aliens are coming to make contact on Earth. They are real living things and have the power of their spirits at their disposal. Fate guides them here for us to achieve destiny, probably after the Forethought in their spirits told them to. Everything I channeled to you to sway your minds in belief was created (Nobody divine is gonna have any part of that) by me, fueled by determination to be right. I can channel truth, and I didn’t before because of reasons I will not post twice. There are an entire slew of people who are beginning to understand this, and just because they’re not on Big Think doesn’t mean they don’t exist, and that they don’t feel the same way I do and experience the same things.

You could watch a few episodes of Moral Orel, or listen to Iced Earths “Something Wicked, parts one and two” or Dream Theater’s “Systematic Chaos”, or like I mentioned earlier “The Golden Compass” movie. There’s TOO many coincidences happening to point to aliens coming THIS YEAR for them to be random, and while the possibility exists for it to be coincidence, I actively deny it.

Arun Janardhanan on October 27, 2008, 5:14 PM

This was a nice talk by Oliver Sacks. I don’t know why SS, HerbieP and others are wasting time arguing with Resonator. Resonator is either ill, wicked or just a plain fool. That said, I am going to get a 10 page response from Resonator to my post which I am going to rightfully ignore.

The only part I didn’t really like about Sack’s talk is his lack of interest in militant atheism from Dawkins and Sam Harris. The point here is that, if open minded people simply sit around without ridiculing people like Resonator, this is what we would end up with – wasted time and effort arguing and trying to disprove self proclaimed superman theories and dimensions. Why in the world would I waste my time doing it? I would rather watch “The Matrix” a few more times to get the kick.

RIP, Resonator.

Arun Janardhanan on October 27, 2008, 5:21 PM

And another thing Resonator, try to bring a few new words to the table please. Chakras, 4th, 5th dimension, spirit are all taken, used and abused by thousands of phony gurus and swami’s in India. It’s pretty old.
RIP again and may your soul reach a dimension with no comebacks.

HerbieP on October 27, 2008, 7:22 PM

“They are real living things and have the power of their spirits at their disposal. Fate guides them here for us to achieve destiny,” I don’t know what ‘power of their spirits’ is or who or what ‘Fate’ is.

Every time I ask you to explain your terms you ignore me and introduce new ones.

HerbieP on October 27, 2008, 7:27 PM

Welcome arunkji. I am very interested in how people such as resonator think. I don’t draw any distinctions between different types of believer, none seem any more credible (or risible) than any others.

Resonator is quite raw in his claims and doesn’t seem to be a member of any particular orthodox faith. As such his beliefs are really interesting to me. Much more so than say orthodox christians. He continues in his own way to address my questions even if it is quite frustrating trying to get meaningful answers.

Pastor Jennifer on October 28, 2008, 4:46 AM

Herbie P:
Are you still in here yanking the believer’s chains? and pretending to be so respectfully interested in understanding what they have to say!
Resonator – the more you try and elucidate your strange beliefs the deeper you will get and the more you will delight HerbieP, the connoisseur, par exellence, of New Age nonsense and irrationality.
Nice to see you again Herbie… but seriously, don’t you have better things to do?

HerbieP on October 28, 2008, 9:51 AM

Hi PastorJ. The answer to your question is ‘not really’. It’s best to sit back and let the markets bottom out right now.

However I do have a serious purpose here. I really am interested in how the various realms of the mind, the physical world, reason, belief and mathematics connect. I have been developing a model to express their interactions and to try and understand something about one of our previous discussions about whether one needs to have experience of the real world to develop mathematics.

My approach is rather diagrammatic at the moment and it would be rather long winded to put into words. The ‘belief’ realm is given no less status in the model that the ‘science’ realm.

Although it is unlikely that I could ever understand Resonator’s point of view much less share it, it is quite important for me to have some understanding of it. He hides behind less smoke and mirrors than say christians.

Matt Pidlysny on October 28, 2008, 2:09 PM

Well, this is a delight! Finally more people have joined the conversation! Perhaps now we can have a meaningful discussion. You gotta know, Herbie, that it’s as difficult for me to understand your lack of ability to understand as it is for you to understand my point of view.

To say it in so many words, it’s because we represent 2 different forms of understanding. For me, I only need something that has been identified as truth in the manner I’ve already described to you as their touch. As in a physical touch (Or depending on how you want to really look at it, a physical hallucination). Putting the gaps together is something I can do on my own, and it’s because that’s how one truly comes to understand things.

For you, you NEED those gaps to be filled. Either that or you’re simply using me to theorize plugs for the gaps in that model you said you were working on. In either case, I’m more than willing to assist you.

I don't know what 'power of their spirits' is or who or what 'Fate' is.

I don’t expect you to know what I meant. I expected you to be smart enough to come to your own conclusion on what I wrote, because that’s how theory’s are formed. That’s getting to the bottom of something, the quest for truth that I embrace. Maybe it was wrong for me to expect, so I apologize. If I may, it’s a rather stupid question.

Chakras, 4th, 5th dimension, spirit are all taken, used and abused by thousands of phony gurus and swami's in India. It's pretty old.

Yeah, probably about 2000 years or so…;)

“There is nothing hidden that will not be revealed. And there is nothing buried that shall not be raised.”

Pastor Jennifer: At least for me and him this is a learning experience. I thought I recognized what he says as pointless analyzing before but I didn’t put too much focus on it. You should read back and see the progress him and I have made in making this concrete :P I had my ideas before but it’s really been learning for me, especially finding out WHY some things I channeled were bullshit.

It’s a test for all of us to overcome. They’re not coming to sway your beliefs, that’s a decision we’re making on our own. Though I still hold firm to my account of the Grail, truth is different from control ;)

HerbieP on October 28, 2008, 2:32 PM

‘…especially finding out WHY some things I channeled were bullshit.’ So how do you know when it’s not bulshit?

I can’t fill in your gaps because I don’t know what some of the words that you use mean to you. A few of them are meaningless to me or apparently used to mean quite different things by other posters.

You should understand that I have no beliefs of any kind.

Matt Pidlysny on October 28, 2008, 2:48 PM

It’s not delusion when I just go out and channel something true. I’ll try an experiment here, to see if they see this as controlling belief or channeling truth, and as the question “How many wives did Constantine have and what were their names?”, to which the channeled response is:

“The emperor Constantine had three wives, and their names were Julietta, Anna, and Gertrude.”

That’s me trying. I’m not going to look up the real answer, I’ll see if it can be verified by you. If not true, it is a possibility that it’s not true. But I’m feeling their touch pretty strong here, and I don’t think I should be doubting myself on this.

For the sake of understanding me, I’ll take the definition of a word very literally. When I use words, I use them how I know them to be defined unless you see me identify why I said something in such a manner, which means just re-read what I write in that sentence.

Matt Pidlysny on October 28, 2008, 2:50 PM

If not true, it is a possibility that it's not true

Re-reading this, I meant to say “If not true, it’s a possibility that it’s not true for the reason of control, or perhaps something different (Perhaps in secret he had three?).”

HerbieP on October 28, 2008, 4:14 PM

Resonator I don’t need to look that one up. Constantine (if you mean the Emperor ConstantineI who introduced Christianity as the Roman state religion) had one wife called Fausta who he had boiled in a hot bath. Of course this is an historical fact and anyone can say that really he had five wives called the Pussycat Dolls but this was never recorded, so your channelling remains unchallenged.

The problem with your channelled information (all of which as relayed to me either does not make sense or has been wrong) by your own admission is sometimes wrong or intended to decieve. To me this is no more use than random noise as far as proof of your claims is concerned.

As to your use of words, lets just try to define ‘dimension’. You constantly mention it but the way you use it is at odds with the way I understand it. A dimension is a single axis of measurement (for example a length). As such aliens or spirits can’t live in it in any way that I can understand. Now what do you mean by term?

Musycks on October 29, 2008, 2:07 AM

Herbie… to continue with this you must have the patience of a Saint! maybe you’ll make me a believer quicker than the others.
I hope there’s a book at the end of the research.

and Pastor Jen sneaks in a quick comment? come on back… we miss you. At least it’s nice to know you’re still out there…

Matt Pidlysny on October 29, 2008, 2:47 AM

Well Herbie, it would seem the experiment failed. I don’t know why, considering it’s how I thought it worked. But, as it’s something you don’t seem to be able to comprehend from that post, there is an explanation other than pure denial of the ability.

Did I mention the possibility that by deluding me, there is a gain for someone else by deluding you? If you were part of a plan which pits belief against belief, you’re making an excellent pawn. Heck, all of you are. I think through this, they are sending “Random noise” as you put it through me so you don’t see any reason to believe some shmuck on the internet.

They’re good. They’re real good. You gotta know, Herbie, that you’re being played and I have been deceived. I’m going to settle this tonight, find out the truth behind it.

Forgiveness is our weapon. Use it, and you’ll go home one day.

So on to the term dimension: If all the normal 3 dimensions are spatial, what’s so different about the 4th if it just incorporates another aspect of life? Can’t they all be spatial AND directional?

You can’t possibly know what I feel unless you become Gnostic, Herbie. Become like me and you won’t need me to finish your paper. Become the experiment :)

HerbieP on October 29, 2008, 3:50 AM

Resonator if you utter many statements some of which are false many of which concern matters that have no alternative verification then to an outsider you are indistinguishable from someone who is deluded. In some sense you accept this and have tried to ‘channel’ information that can be objectively verified. In each case you have failed. You have an explanation as to why you have failed but again this cannot be verified to anyone else. In a sense it does not matter if you are deluded or not, for all objective observers you fit the definition of deluded and so you might as well be regarded as such until there is more information. No objective observer could have any reason for taking anything that you say seriously because, as we have shown, absolutely nothing that you claim connects with reality.

“If all the normal 3 dimensions are spatial, what’s so different about the 4th if it just incorporates another aspect of life? Can’t they all be spatial AND directional?”

Mathematically there are an infinite number of dimensions they need not be spatial and none are favoured above others. A direction in something such as Hilbert space is a dimension (one of the co-ordinates of a vector is its angle). Dimensions as I have said before are simply an axis of measurement and as such to say they ‘incorporate an aspect of life’ is a meaningless sequence of words.

HerbieP on October 29, 2008, 4:07 AM

Musycks it is not patience, this is the reason why I return to BigThink. Resonator is fascinating to me for several reasons.

Jeff will not stick to the point or try to answer questions and his ‘beliefs’ seem to be random.

Resonator is a fantastically useful example of belief to me. He is not part of a vast ancient orthodoxy and is the final authority on what he himself believes. He never attempts to say “I don’t know that, I just believe, there are others with greater knowledge of what I believe” or “look at my holy book.” He is not intentionally obscure or vague about his beliefs. Although we have difficulty communicating he tries in good humor to answer me. Few others are interfering with our exchanges.

In many ways he is a pure believer in something. Exactly what he believes in is of little interest to me. However he does think on some level that what he believes in requires some objective evidence (as many believers seem to) and, although he has a very subjective experience that I don’t share, he tries to provide me with evidence.

It is clear that his belief is very, very subjective but to him it appears to be as real as science is to me.

Resonator really is helping me to understand belief in a way that say pokoj cannot. pokoj has a religious vocabulary and mythology that obscures meaning and serves to hide concepts. In a way a liturgy that can be repeated without really engaging with the meaning. This is the reason that I’m trying to understand the way Resonator uses words such as ‘energy’ (he doesn’t use that much) and dimension that are currrentky being hijacked by various beliefs to mean quite different things. Christianity did this to many words so long ago that the words have become entirely theirs. New types of believers are using pseudo science words like energy and dimension whilst they are still being used by science to mean something else.

In many ways Resonator appears to be the messiah of his belief system and I’m very glad that I’ve found him and that he’s willing to comminicate with me.

Thanks Resonator.

HerbieP on October 29, 2008, 5:06 AM

Resonator: Just to be clear about my confusion regarding the ‘4th Dimension’. You have said that certain beings or aspects of beings live or exist in the 4th Dimension. This makes as much sense to me as saying that they exist as a length. If you mean that they live in four dimensions then they are no different than any of us since we all live in four dimensional spacetime and I should be able to see them and interact with them as I can with any other physical being or object. Do you see how using terms in a strange way confuses?

If indeed these beings do live in the same spacetime as I do then a legitimate question is where are they, why can’t I see them? If you mean something else then what is it?

Similarly you have said that certain energies are in the 5th Dimension. Well an energy can’t be a length. Energy (as I define it) exists in ordinary four dimensional spacetime along with us and is interchangable with matter. It is observable. Five dimensions and more are used in various aspects of physics but the phenomena described in this way are also observable in four dimensions. What sort of energy are you talking about and is it observable?

Pastor Jennifer on October 29, 2008, 11:17 AM

Hey HerbieP! I just snuck again. If you want to get a grip on how the New Age mind can construct a new religion, read Urantia …. as strange as Resonator’s belief’s are you will amazed at the extraordinary amount of trouble and detail the Urantia author went to. The ghost writer for the Aliens learned all his composition tricks from Seventh Day Adventist plagiarists.

Hey, I have been thinking a lot about our conversations we had about numbers too… I talked with philosopher John Shook about it over the summer and it turns out that in the world of philosophical naturalism there are a few of like-minded idealist-naturalists out there as me when it comes to mathematics. Good to know I am not alone.
:-)
As for finances you have my sympathies…I’m so glad I have a couple of gold bricks under my mattress instead of dollars!

Hi there Musycks ol’ buddy! How come you guys aren’t talking about the wonderful and illustrious Oliver Sachs instead of indulging in New Age ninnyness? Really, I am amazed at the enduring fascination it holds for you all. But then, here I am again, stoutly committed to resisting all insane conversations.

Resonator: I’m glad HerbieP is applying his usual exercise of logic on your belief constructs. Give him a year or two! All the best.

Matt Pidlysny on October 29, 2008, 2:44 PM

I’d like to point out something that caught my eye immediately:

Jeff will not stick to the point or try to answer questions and his 'beliefs' seem to be random.

Oh, so now you see a connection. Before you couldn’t understand how I came up with my beliefs (I think you did…) and now you’re seeing a phenomenon in action. I don’t even need to find any of Jeff’s posts to find out. You say it’s random for him, and I believe you because you observe a certain randomness to his beliefs, changing over time (Wink wink OMG HOW COULD THAT RELATE TO RESONATORS THEORY OF TIME?!).

I say you simply haven’t realized that this entire topic I’ve been delving into new truths to find out which are false and which are true, and you’ve been vital in figuring that out. I’m just soft for this sort of thing, but do you really want to call that coincidence, especially on this subject matter?

This is a new way of thinking, and you’ll probably be feeling the same come the end of December. But you seemed to miss this in my last post(s), so I’ll capitalize for you:

YOU CAN CREATE THE POWER OF GNOSIS IN YOURSELF. GNOSIS DOES NOT COVER THE ABILITY TO CHANNEL, ONLY TO KNOW THE TRUTH WHEN IT IS SEEN, OR WHEN IT IS NEEDED.

In many ways Resonator appears to be the messiah of his belief system and I'm very glad that I've found him and that he's willing to comminicate with me.

You can consider me the first of many to truly identify this new age profoundness with our biblical human destiny, and really find the truth to the mental challenges that relationship entails. The illusion doesn’t care when people are confused, or simply following the design (Light on darkness made the illusion real) but it takes great interest in someone like me, apparently, someone going against the flow for the right reasons. The simple fact that perhaps I might be going in the wrong direction, looking at it from an opposite perspective, provides me with the challenges (Because I know how to face them) to make me stronger of will.

Maybe that makes me the Messiah. Can you say the same possibility for yourself, knowing the opportunity can be created by a simple decision?

It is clear that his belief is very, very subjective but to him it appears to be as real as science is to me.

If you felt how I felt when I started this path, finding out that God (As a universal divine concept, not so much as an individual) is watching you, touching your legs, providing you with guidance to truth, you’d be as committed as I am. You just need to say yes, and you’ll feel God too.

This makes as much sense to me as saying that they exist as a length

Ok, so perhaps dimension is the wrong word. But let’s go on this wave I’m riding right now and theorize:

If our bodies are made of matter, maybe our souls are too. That being said, perhaps it’s not a physical body we’re looking at period, but a reflection of a physical body off the atoms that make up our soul (And thus perhaps this is the way things work in the world for all things, who knows). We can only see so much of the spectrum of light, right? What if people who see aura’s are seeing into the soul? What if the angels and the First Ruler just choose to reflect transparency? That said, is it really another dimension, or plane of existence that they exist on, or do they embrace illusion and choose not to be seen on purpose?

I expect actual participation in finding the holes and the concrete in that one.

This is the reason that I'm trying to understand the way Resonator uses words such as 'energy' (he doesn't use that much) and dimension that are currrentky being hijacked by various beliefs to mean quite different things

Well I think it was you that said energy was interchangeable with matter. So how do you know if matter is simply not the illusion that energy provides to mask itself, and is there such a thing as matter other than what you can perceive?

I should be able to see them and interact with them as I can with any other physical being or object

Well, how come you didn’t try in every way that anyone knowledgeable in their field can tell you is possible? Even they believe in what I believe, so I hear :P

HerbieP on October 30, 2008, 6:16 AM

Now you are speculating in areas that I know something about:

“If our bodies are made of matter, maybe our souls are too. That being said, perhaps it’s not a physical body we’re looking at period, but a reflection of a physical body off the atoms that make up our soul (And thus perhaps this is the way things work in the world for all things, who knows). We can only see so much of the spectrum of light, right? What if people who see aura’s are seeing into the soul? What if the angels and the First Ruler just choose to reflect transparency? That said, is it really another dimension, or plane of existence that they exist on, or do they embrace illusion and choose not to be seen on purpose?”

If souls (whatever you imagine them to be) are made of atoms then they can be clearly detected. I see no evidence for this.

It is true that our eyes only detect a small region of the electromagnetic spectrum but we are capable of detecting via instruments the whole of the electromagnetic spectrum; no auras.

I have no idea what you mean by ‘another plane of existance’ or ‘reflecting transparency’.

“Well I think it was you that said energy was interchangeable with matter. So how do you know if matter is simply not the illusion that energy provides to mask itself, and is there such a thing as matter other than what you can perceive?”

No illusion involved, both matter and energy are easily detectable and measurable. If something is not observable and measurable then it is not a physical phenomenon. No there is no such thing as matter diffrent from what can ordinarily be perceived.

Matt Pidlysny on October 30, 2008, 9:43 PM

If souls (whatever you imagine them to be) are made of atoms then they can be clearly detected. I see no evidence for this.

The point is that we might be interpreting a different thing as physical. That an atom of any kind makes up a physical structure, if assembled correctly, and what we see from the light bouncing off them is obviously what we should be seeing. I’m familiar to a degree in how an atom is supposed to look (In a very basic sense) but I guess to really nail it down I would need to know a few things first. Perhaps, since this is a field you’re familiar with, a helping hand could be had?

1) How an atom interacts with other atoms – Does an atom connect through atomic space by magnetic field, by some constant kinetic force being applied to it, or possibly applied by the atom itself to keep itself stationary and staying in sync with the motion of other atoms? If by magnetic force, or a force other than kinetic, does it possess a certain polarity, so as to restrict movement of an oppositely polarized energy source (This is working around the theory that perhaps our physical bodies are imprisoning something, i.e. the spirit)? If there is no magnetic or otherwise unlike kinetic force, is it possible that the movement of an atom could repel random electrons hovering near and around the atoms because of it’s valence shell? Has it been researched to say safely that electrons can be passed between objects of different or similar atomic structure easily (This would come back to a theory I have on Karma)?

2) Properties of an atom – Knowing the basic components of an atom (Proton and Neutron core, Electron valence shell), what else is their to mention that could prove useful for simple knowledge? What exactly is containing the Protons and Neutrons, and why are there no electrons inside? What is the container for the Protons and Neutrons made of, and is it safe to say it pulls electrons towards it by it’s own gravitational force?

3) Movement of Atoms – Is there evidence of atoms moving faster than we can normally see, and is it possible to see such a thing? Is there any variance or similarity in any form of Atomic movement? Is the space atoms are moving in different than normal space, not so much in the form of effects pertaining to gravity, temperature, etc. but the actual physical makeup of it? If so, what is generating this special field?

When I speak of higher planes of vibration, I’m generally referring to things that vibrate faster than normal vision. The reason I still stick to it is because there is such a physical object, and that’s Light itself. It begins from a one dimensional length and, to use the sun for example, creates a sphere of light around the source, essentially becoming a 3D world to live in. Technically speaking, the sun essentially creates an entire playground (Assuming this is possible) for beings that move as fast as light to exist in. So what I’m saying is that in this playground of light, beings that exist in that realm can move through space, but I guess can only achieve a certain amount of things while manifested in light. They can choose to reflect transparency, so to speak, by simply becoming transparent, and choose to do the opposite. That’s pure speculation, but it would help to narrow it down a bit.

I don’t really know what else to add. Maybe your response can open up a few doors.

HerbieP on October 31, 2008, 6:53 AM

Resonator: most of what you have said makes no sense in scientific terms and you missuse many words that have specific meanings in science. It is quite clear that you have only the most rudimentary understanding of science and that you are mixing and matching ideas so that they fit with your beliefs.

There are generally four forces that govern the interactions of matter, the weak and strong interactions (functioning on a sub-atomic level), electromagentic fields (linking the subatomic to the macroscopic world) and gravitation (that is usually neglected on an atomic scale). In addition there are interactions of mass not involving the gravitational field involving momentum.

The Standard Model is essentially a taxonomic system for the subatomic particles and force carriers (fermions & bosons) and there are many simple explanations of it available on the web.

Your notion of light (eletromagnetic radiation) is very confused. I am assuming that you are not familiar with special and general relativity. In science it is not possible for ‘beings to move as fast as light’. As matter is accelerated its mass increases, it contracts along the axis of motion and its time slows relative to matter that is stationary. Spacetime is shaped by matter, essentially gravitational fields are the shape of spacetime. An understanding of relativity and quantum mechanics is basic to a scientific understanding of the universe.

Many of the areas that you explore with your beliefs have already be thoroughly explored by science and your beliefs do not make sense in a scientific context. If you are interested I suggest that you read some simple accessible introductions to modern science, it will save you a lot of time in wild speculation.

Matt Pidlysny on October 31, 2008, 9:59 AM

I think you fail to realize, Herbie, with your good intentions that I’m really just looking for a lecture here. Those were all questions to be answered by you, but I thank you for explaining them briefly. At least now I know a bit more than I did before.

Sorry to confuse you, as I did this sort of thing in the past. I wasn’t wrapping my belief around those questions, but only seeking knowledge. At least I can say I got my degree from you, not Wikipedia :P

HerbieP on November 2, 2008, 5:58 AM

I meant that your questions made no sense. You were asking thing way ahead of your understanding of science. The sorts of things that you were speculating about require a degree in physics to comprehend fully. I’m guessing that you don’t even have a basic grounding is science.

Matt Pidlysny on November 2, 2008, 9:42 AM

I’m sorry, but I disagree with that statement. I understand what you told me, but you gave me names, so to speak, when I asked you for observations (In relation to Atomic theory). Don’t take me for a fool, but if you will not speak because you fear I’m going to wrap a theory around a fact…You gotta be kidding me. Are you seriously telling me that you can predict the future better than I? :P

I understand more than you think. Just give it a shot, even if it’s the most complex thing you’ve ever written. I’ll figure it out, guarantee it, or at least ask a question to expand the root of it enough to grasp the higher-up offshoot subjects (If there was not enough information in any particular statement you make). I suppose I COULD make a career out of it instead and go to school but that’s why I’m not; It’s not my career. Just looking for knowledge where I can.

HerbieP on November 3, 2008, 3:47 AM

Resonator I’m not quite clear what you’re talking about now. If you have a clear specific question about science I’ll try to answer it as clearly as I can – just one at a time please.

Matt Pidlysny on November 3, 2008, 10:51 AM

Does an atom connect through atomic space by magnetic field, by some constant kinetic force being applied to it, or possibly applied by the atom itself to keep itself stationary and staying in sync with the motion of other atoms?

Matt Pidlysny on November 3, 2008, 10:54 AM

Sorry, ignore that last post…I’ll get to you after I do some reading (Thanks for the info though).

I’m also blind, occasionally.

HerbieP on November 3, 2008, 1:48 PM

If I may comment on your retracted question it may help you to rephrase it.

Magnetic fields arise from moving electric fields or magentic dipoles (which themselves are essentially moving electric charge). I don’t think that it is really useful for you to be thinking about ‘magnetic fields’ in the context of atomic dynamics. Magnetic fields (except in that case of photons) tend to be large scale vector fields that act on charged particles. They are not generated by individual atoms as such.

I’m not sure what you intend by the phrase ‘kinetic force’. Kinetic energy is energy stored by the relative motion of a mass, the energy of momentum.

Atoms outside of molecular or crystaline structures do not keep in ‘sync’ with other independent atoms. The forces that bind molecules together are electrostatic.

Hope that helps your thinking.

Not quite sure how to take your comment about blindness, but if you mean it literally I’m sorry to hear it.

Matt Pidlysny on November 7, 2008, 7:40 PM

Ok, so I read the answers now, and come across only one thing that sticks out:

The forces that bind molecules together are electrostatic.

Ok, but I’m not confused as to the nature of this electrostatic force, as it were. Where does it come from? What is natural for it to be doing on a common basis? Do mental patterns (Indicating stress, relaxation, etc.) interfere with the trends it displays, in terms of amplitude, frequency, etc.? If none of the above, what trends does it display? Is there a common grouping or pattern to the electrostatic forces that bind molecules together?

Also, by blind I meant blinded by my thoughts.

HerbieP on November 11, 2008, 4:15 AM

Electric charge is one of the properties that defines varieties of fundmental particles. Asking where it comes from is like asking where matter comes from and why it is structed as it is. There is a partial explanation available in something called the Standard Model which explains the relationships and interactions of fundamental particles.

“What is natural for it to be doing on a common basis?” I don’t know what a ‘common basis’ is but what it is natural for charge to be doing is holding atoms and molecules together.

“Do mental patterns (Indicating stress, relaxation, etc.) interfere with the trends it displays, in terms of amplitude, frequency, etc.?” Atoms don’t have mental patterns. If you mean do the mental patterns of humans affect subatomic particles, no they don’t.

“If none of the above, what trends does it display? Is there a common grouping or pattern to the electrostatic forces that bind molecules together?” Yes it’s the Standard Model. Here’s a wikipedia article that explains it simply: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model

This is how charge works on a sub-atomic level. On an atomic and molecular level electric fields basically facilitate chemistry. Electrons carrying charge are donated, ‘loaned’ and captured or ‘borrowed’ by adjacent atoms and this is how chemical reactions take place.