Kwame Anthony Appiah: So some identities are, as philosophers would say, determinants of a determinable.
So some are like race. In principle, you know, the racial system is laid out so that you have to be either of mixed race or one of the races. And you can't be, as it were, Black and Asian at the same time. You can be mixed race, but you can't be straightforwardly Asian and straightforwardly Black at the same time.
So in that sense that mutual exclusivity is built into the structure of some kinds of identity. But there's nothing in general about identities that excludes the overlap of different forms of identity of gender, and race, and sexual orientation, and religion, and nationality, and class all in a single person. And indeed most people have all of those things.
Well what's a sensible thought about how to deal with them? And this relates to what the proper answer to the question of what your identity is.
Usually in a context, it's pretty clear which aspects of your identity are the ones that are relevant. If I'm at a meeting of the American Philosophical Association, my identity as a philosopher is kind of important. But if I go to a meeting of a church group, it probably isn't. And so I know without thinking about it often what the relevance is of different dimensions of my identity.
So when people get into trouble with this, it's because they think that one dimension of their identity makes a demand on them that is inconsistent with the demands made by some other dimension of their identity.
Question: How can you pick an identity?
Kwame Anthony Appiah: I think there are two helpful guiding thoughts. One is morality is helpful there. That is to say that there are general obligations that we have to other people independent of their identity and our identity, and we better make sure we discharge those first of all.
So if you find yourself being pulled in two directions by your identities, if you find yourself being pulled in one direction say as a Serb, and in the other direction as a Christian, it might be helpful to remember that you’re a human being, and that you have obligations to other people that are not connected with whether you’re a Serb or a Christian.
So I think that’s one thing. Morality helps – morality which defines what we owe to everybody irrespective of their identities.
The second thing is that sometimes we do have to make choices. That’s part of what it is to make a human life. It’s to weigh in the balance.
Am I going to go here with my religious identity? Or am I going to go here with my racial identity in this particular context? Or am I going to find some way hitherto unthought of to bring them together without that strong tension? And people are doing this all the time.
It can sound very difficult in theory, but my model for this really was my father. My father was an Ashanti and a patriot of Ashanti; and a Ghanaian and a patriot of Ghana. He wrote an autobiography called “The Autobiography of An African Patriot” because he was a Pan-Africanist. He was a devout Methodist and very active in his church and cared about his church. And he was a citizen of the world. He was an ambassador of the U.N. for a while, and he worked very much in international affairs. He cared about relations among nations.
Now you might think how can you be a loyal Ashanti and a loyal Ghanaian? After all Ashanti is a kingdom in the middle of the Republic of Ghana. Well the answer is, you know, look at my father’s life as it were.
And look at lots of lives. People do this sort of thing all the time. You can be a loyal citizen of Texas and a loyal American. Occasionally they will pull you in different directions and then you have a choice to make. But much of the time, being Texan is going to be what matters for some purposes, and being American is what matters for others.
And when they do come into conflict, you have many things to appeal to help you resolve the conflicts, including, I think, your own sense of the relative weight in your own life, which is up to you of your state identity as opposed to your national identity.
So you can’t tell people; these are things that people have to figure out for themselves, because there is no morally correct answer, no ethically pre-given answer given to the question, “What’s more important – Texan or an American? What’s more important? You know, a Christian or a philosopher?”
You have to figure it out for yourself. I think all you can say to people in trying to be helpful is that you’re often going to have people who share one of these identities with you, make demands of you on that basis; but you’re entitled to resist in the name of your morality; in the name of a human identify; but also in the name of other identities that you have and which you don’t share with them.
I worked out the other day that you only need to have 32 properties to have a set of bundles of properties such that everybody in the world can have a distinct and unique bundle of properties. Because two of the 32 is bigger than six billion, and there are only six billion of us.
So even in the smallest village, right, there are both men and women. So all the other identities are potentially inflected by gender. And among the women, some have more resources than others. Some are married and some are unmarried. Some have children and some don’t have children. All of these affect how their lives look to them and how they’re going to make the balance of these things in their lives.
And the sort of key thought of the liberal tradition goes back to [Immanuel] Kant. It goes back to Humboldt. It goes back to liberal _________ mill in the 19th century.
The key thought is each human being has to face the challenge of making this decision for herself. You can take advice from other people. You should take advice from other people. Other people can tell you useful things. But it’s your responsibility in the end to make a decision, and you shouldn’t defer that responsibility to anyone else.
Recorded on: July 31 2007
Discuss
Mark Sanchez on February 21, 2008, 11:53 AM
I think this guy is crazy. Why, if you are inter-racial, can you not be 100% of both ethnicities? That is what is called being multi-cultural.
Mark Sanchez on February 21, 2008, 11:53 AM
I think this guy is crazy. Why, if you are inter-racial, can you not be 100% of both ethnicities? That is what is called being multi-cultural.
Dr Doom on February 21, 2008, 2:07 PM
Racial cetegorization is a condescending phenomena whic has plauged man since the begining of time. Most African Americans representitives preach rcial egalitarianism; however, categories of differentiation such as "Black History Month," "Cinco De Mayo" and the like are forever reminding social barriers and only perpetuate inequalities. My question to you is, if civilized human beings are unceasingly campainging for egalitiarinism, then why obfuscate the boundaries with memories of sufferage? Why not strive for change without depending on our differences (genetric drifting)?
Gerry Young on February 21, 2008, 2:32 PM
It's hard to let people know all the time and in all situations just who you are and who you know you are. They make their own decisions based on how you look, firstly, how you dress, secondly, and how you present yourself in other respects. But your looks are really what determine who people think you are. It's quite frustrating, as I have identities based on my background that many people never imagine- what you see isn't always the only thing that's there. It's too easy for people to stereotype and relegate people into a single category.
morton baum on February 21, 2008, 2:48 PM
A very thoughtful and moral approach by Prof. Appiah to the issue of identity.
Mark Sanchez on February 21, 2008, 4:53 PM
I think this guy is crazy. Why, if you are inter-racial, can you not be 100% of both ethnicities? That is what is called being multi-cultural.
Mark Sanchez on February 21, 2008, 4:53 PM
I think this guy is crazy. Why, if you are inter-racial, can you not be 100% of both ethnicities? That is what is called being multi-cultural.
Dr Doom on February 21, 2008, 7:07 PM
Racial cetegorization is a condescending phenomena whic has plauged man since the begining of time. Most African Americans representitives preach rcial egalitarianism; however, categories of differentiation such as “Black History Month,” “Cinco De Mayo” and the like are forever reminding social barriers and only perpetuate inequalities. My question to you is, if civilized human beings are unceasingly campainging for egalitiarinism, then why obfuscate the boundaries with memories of sufferage? Why not strive for change without depending on our differences (genetric drifting)?
Gerry Young on February 21, 2008, 7:32 PM
It’s hard to let people know all the time and in all situations just who you are and who you know you are. They make their own decisions based on how you look, firstly, how you dress, secondly, and how you present yourself in other respects. But your looks are really what determine who people think you are. It’s quite frustrating, as I have identities based on my background that many people never imagine- what you see isn’t always the only thing that’s there. It’s too easy for people to stereotype and relegate people into a single category.
morton baum on February 21, 2008, 7:48 PM
A very thoughtful and moral approach by Prof. Appiah to the issue of identity.
Bruce Allen on February 21, 2008, 8:51 PM
We all have at least two identities — the REAL us, and the information stored in Big-Brother's database. There is not necessarily any relationship between them.
Bruce Allen on February 22, 2008, 1:51 AM
We all have at least two identities — the REAL us, and the information stored in Big-Brother’s database. There is not necessarily any relationship between them.
Jacoline Loewen on February 23, 2008, 12:30 PM
We too often choose our identity by what we think is mirrored in other people%u2019s eyes. If you assume people are going to see you primarily by the most obvious of identities such as gender, skin colour or religion then your life will reflect your belief. Kwame%u2019s identities surface or dive depending on how he taps into them to reach and understand the people around him whether he%u2019s in Ghana or Texas or a philosophers%u2019 group. I agree with his idea that you must be the one to decide your identity. Bitterness comes from letting others choose for you.
We seem to want to believe that as humans we are all the same and we think the same. It%u2019s a lovely idea but it%u2019s just not true at this point in human development. For example, in business, if you go into another country and culture thinking you can behave in a well meaning way and all will work out %u2013 your business will go bankrupt very quickly. There are many business culture studies that highlight national identities. Understanding these will give you a distinct competitive advantage in international business.
Bruce Allen on February 23, 2008, 1:50 PM
J.L. — I agree totally with your comments.
Let me add, in a slightly more serious vein than my last comment, 'Identity' is a lot like Chicken-and-Egg stuff. We grow into profiles where we receive the most respect from our peers. But our peers have already prejudged us, and start treating us as they expect us to be.
Jacoline Loewen on February 23, 2008, 5:30 PM
We too often choose our identity by what we think is mirrored in other people%u2019s eyes. If you assume people are going to see you primarily by the most obvious of identities such as gender, skin colour or religion then your life will reflect your belief. Kwame%u2019s identities surface or dive depending on how he taps into them to reach and understand the people around him whether he%u2019s in Ghana or Texas or a philosophers%u2019 group. I agree with his idea that you must be the one to decide your identity. Bitterness comes from letting others choose for you.
We seem to want to believe that as humans we are all the same and we think the same. It%u2019s a lovely idea but it%u2019s just not true at this point in human development. For example, in business, if you go into another country and culture thinking you can behave in a well meaning way and all will work out %u2013 your business will go bankrupt very quickly. There are many business culture studies that highlight national identities. Understanding these will give you a distinct competitive advantage in international business.
Bruce Allen on February 23, 2008, 6:50 PM
J.L. — I agree totally with your comments.
Let me add, in a slightly more serious vein than my last comment, ‘Identity’ is a lot like Chicken-and-Egg stuff. We grow into profiles where we receive the most respect from our peers. But our peers have already prejudged us, and start treating us as they expect us to be.
Steven Francis on February 28, 2008, 2:01 PM
Identities are heavily predicated on the social relations and social institutions in which an individual engages. There are elements of choice, as all people have some degree of agency. But, since we construct our identities in relation to our social relations, a multi-ethnic person would be hard-pressed to be 100% of each background. Instead, their identity would be multi-ethnic, as they choose to identify with various aspects of their background.
Steven Francis on February 28, 2008, 7:01 PM
Identities are heavily predicated on the social relations and social institutions in which an individual engages. There are elements of choice, as all people have some degree of agency. But, since we construct our identities in relation to our social relations, a multi-ethnic person would be hard-pressed to be 100% of each background. Instead, their identity would be multi-ethnic, as they choose to identify with various aspects of their background.
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