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Regarding the issue of the Quran, I recently ran across a short passage that would seem very logical. It is interesting to note that many muslims seem to believe that the prophet was "infallable" However there are a few nagging questions about islam. . The issue of those pesky "satanic Verses," of which an account can be found in: An extensive account of the incident is found in al-Tabāri's history, the Ta'rīkh (Vol. I) (A broad account can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Verses) But then: The Islamic festival of Eid al-Adha, which celebrates God preventing Abraham from sacrificing his son, and the Koran itself, may reveal the true origin of the Islamic Koran. The Koran teaches that Satan tricked Abraham into offering his own son as a sacrifice to God. (Q, 37:107) In the Koran, it is taught that God chastised Abraham for not recognizing Satan’s attempt to impersonate God: “You believed the dream…God never advocates sin”. (Q, 7:28) Ironically, the Muslims believe that it was Gabriel who, at the last moment, substituted Abraham’s son with a lamb and thwarts Satan’s plot against Abraham. The Koran, therefore, makes it clear that Islam teaches that Satan can even trick God’s greatest prophets. If one were to be undiplomatic, it could be speculated that the role of Gabriel, as the messenger of God to the prophet Mohammed as elucidated in the story of Eid al-Adha, could be an allegory for the true origin of the Koran.Interesting quetion and point, which deserve to be addressed. … Read More
March 17, 2008 |
Christian Abayance commented on Re: Re: Where are we? on March 17, 2008, 7:04 AM
Omars,You are so blinded by your love of islam that you cannot see the reality. Everything is a conspiracy with you. The Americans have killed a million poor Iraqis? (Can you provide ANY verifiable proof of your allegation?)Read a few of the links on my rebuttal to your comments on this issue. Its perfectly alright for suicide bombers to kill innocent muslim iraqi's in the name of peace:http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/world/iraq/bal-te.iraq08mar08001517,0,7033077.storyAnd to train children to hate and kill using cartoons:http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125392Use innocent women, children and civilians as human shields:http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism- Obstacle to Peace/Hamas war against Israel/Hamas exploitation of civilians as human shields - Photographic evidence.htm?And many other violations of "human rights" in the name of "the religion of peace."I would have recently agreed with you that the problem is not the average muslim. That the problem is one of The Islamacists. But, there is an old axiom that stats all that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing. That, sir, is the ONLY thing I see muslims doing. There are none speaking out against terrorism. They know they will be branded Apostates and a death fatwa issued against them. In the process they are turning the rest of the CIVILIZED world against them, one person at a time.
Christian Abayance commented on Where are we? on March 17, 2008, 6:50 AM
OmarS,Are you sure you are not Neville Chamberlain? Allow me to quote you:"We need people who emphasize the commonalities of peoples. People who build bridges and communicate as equals"Lets think about this, Who was it that:Flew planes into the occupied twin towers on 9-11 Killing some 3000 people?Blew up several Subway trains in England on 7/7 killing 52 and injuring 700?Blew up commuter trains in Spain on 11 Mar killing 191?Who is it that is launching suicide bombing daily against civilians in Iraq? (read a few accounts: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/IraqBodyCount2006.htm)http://www.alalam.ir/english/en-NewsPage.asp?newsid=041030120080307152448Who is it that is using civilians, women and children as human shields:http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism- Obstacle to Peace/Hamas war against Israel/Hamas exploitation of civilians as human shields - Photographic evidence.htm?http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58837http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020217.phphttp://www.btselem.org/english/Inter_Palestinian_Violations/Index.asphttp://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57867Who is it that is mindlessly firing rockets into civilian areas of Israel?Who is it that is always calling for the death of anyone who speaks against Islam?http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL15398953http://www.nisnews.nl/public/280208_5.htmWhen was the last time a Christian mob abducted and murdered a muslim cleric:http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080313/wl_afp/iraqunrestreligionkidnap_080313124156;_ylt=ApJ4ciJvwbdpmM1oVOEHdyFX6GMAhttp://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=12043What religion teaches their children that it is better to die than to live? (lets not forget honor kilings of their OWN children either)http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11570602/http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3517726,00.htmlhttp://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23353008-1702,00.htmlhttp://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=A6A9577D-95EA-49F6-A613-EFC86B36B48Bhttp://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2008/02/denmark-immigrant-children-learn-to.htmlhttp://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125392Lets review a little bit about the beloved "Religion of peace," shall we?From the qu'ran: Sura (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieveSura (48:29) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselvesSura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of themSura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardnessSura (5:33) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a. . . The Quran contains 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers, and kill the infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.(source: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm)How dare you to have the audacity to insinuate that the problem is the "intolerant" Christians, Americans, English whomever. . .The problem is not these groups of people. They have been giving, honorable , charitable and tolerant. While the Mohammedans are ANYTHING BUT. If you believe we can just sit down, have a chat and all will be well. The world will not be singing Cumbayah, or "I'd like to buy the world a coke." The problem is that islam teaches:It is the ONLY religion of God (their allah)All who do not follow Islam are subhuman and do not deserve to live, and muslims should have contempt for them. To make war on, and kill anyone who is an unbeliever. That allah turned some Jews into swine and apes. . . (they REALLY believe that crap)It is forbidden to become friends with Jews and Christians. I suspect you already know all this. You mention that the United States and Israel have had nuclear weapons for some time. How many times have they used them on those "innocent" Mohammadan countries? Are you really naive enough to believe that Ahmedinejad would hesitate to use nuclear weapons against Israel, the United States or anyone else? This fool believe that he is going to bring about the return of the 13th Imam and the end times. He, like you, is not playing with a full deck and really needs to reassess reality.
Christian Abayance commented on Where are we? on March 17, 2008, 2:50 AM
OmarS, Are you sure you are not Neville Chamberlain? Allow me to quote you: "We need people who emphasize the commonalities of peoples. People who build bridges and communicate as equals" Lets think about this, Who was it that: Flew planes into the occupied twin towers on 9-11 Killing some 3000 people? Blew up several Subway trains in England on 7/7 killing 52 and injuring 700? Blew up commuter trains in Spain on 11 Mar killing 191? Who is it that is launching suicide bombing daily against civilians in Iraq? (read a few accounts: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/IraqBodyCount2006.htm) http://www.alalam.ir/english/en-NewsPage.asp?newsid=041030120080307152448 Who is it that is using civilians, women and children as human shields: http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism- Obstacle to Peace/Hamas war against Israel/Hamas exploitation of civilians as human shields - Photographic evidence.htm? http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58837 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020217.php http://www.btselem.org/english/Inter_Palestinian_Violations/Index.asp http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57867 Who is it that is mindlessly firing rockets into civilian areas of Israel? Who is it that is always calling for the death of anyone who speaks against Islam? http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL15398953 http://www.nisnews.nl/public/280208_5.htm When was the last time a Christian mob abducted and murdered a muslim cleric: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080313/wl_afp/iraqunrestreligionkidnap_080313124156;_ylt=ApJ4ciJvwbdpmM1oVOEHdyFX6GMA http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=12043 What religion teaches their children that it is better to die than to live? (lets not forget honor kilings of their OWN children either) http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11570602/ http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3517726,00.html http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23353008-1702,00.html http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=A6A9577D-95EA-49F6-A613-EFC86B36B48B http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/2008/02/denmark-immigrant-children-learn-to.html http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125392 Lets review a little bit about the beloved "Religion of peace," shall we? From the qu'ran: Sura (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve Sura (48:29) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves Sura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they! Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness Sura (5:33) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a. . . The Quran contains 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers, and kill the infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter. (source: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm) How dare you to have the audacity to insinuate that the problem is the "intolerant" Christians, Americans, English whomever. . .The problem is not these groups of people. They have been giving, honorable , charitable and tolerant. While the Mohammedans are ANYTHING BUT. If you believe we can just sit down, have a chat and all will be well. The world will not be singing Cumbayah, or "I'd like to buy the world a coke." The problem is that islam teaches: It is the ONLY religion of God (their allah) All who do not follow Islam are subhuman and do not deserve to live, and muslims should have contempt for them. To make war on, and kill anyone who is an unbeliever. That allah turned some Jews into swine and apes. . . (they REALLY believe that crap) It is forbidden to become friends with Jews and Christians. I suspect you already know all this. You mention that the United States and Israel have had nuclear weapons for some time. How many times have they used them on those "innocent" Mohammadan countries? Are you really naive enough to believe that Ahmedinejad would hesitate to use nuclear weapons against Israel, the United States or anyone else? This fool believe that he is going to bring about the return of the 13th Imam and the end times. He, like you, is not playing with a full deck and really needs to reassess reality.
Christian Abayance commented on Re: Re: Where are we? on March 17, 2008, 7:15 AM
There are better chances of winning the lottery than islam EVER reforming. Critical questioning is suppressed, violently. One of the requirements of Islam is to leave critical thinking skills at the door. Islam has not had one hint of reformation in 1400 years. It is still stuck, (and will eternally be stuck) in the 7th century.