Jeff thinks we're quitters, Bryan thinks 85% of contributors to this part of Big T are atheists. Fromwhat I've seen we are a very informed, erudite bunch, even if I do say so myself. There are a few valuable religious thinkers who'll have a go, but most of the faithful are particularly ignorant of the history of their churches and the dimension and context of the theological/philosophical arguments. Atheists don't fall back on 'I believe' and that's it, we'll reason out our positions, and be accountable for errors. If we have put the groundwork in, why label us as quitters, maybe we've just attained enlightenment first!