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Amber Ford commented on David Chang On Veganism and the Environment on July 5, 2008, 1:51 AM

I think David's reasoning is flawed. First of all, he says that animals are here to serve our purposes. Not true. They are here to serve their own purposes. He also fails to explain why he thinks that an environmental reason for vegetarianism is not valid, at least he seems to be implying it is invalid. He also never explains why he thinks vegetable consumption is more problematic than meat consumption in the area of food safety.A person who consumes a vegan diet is far more friendly to the planet compared to "localvores" and people who drive hybrid vehicles.As for safety, look at the latest tomato scare... the issue was salmonella. Salmonella is not exactly something that is associated with vegetables. It may however be associated with water contamination or some other method of contamination from animal agriculture. It was speculated that water contamination from surrounding animal agriculture was responsible for the spinach scare a while back. This would mean that the safety issue is with meat, not vegetables and fruits.As for not wanting to see a world consisting of vegetarians, why not? I would love to be part of a world where exploitation of animals is eliminated, after all, we are animals too, and exploitation is linked. Speciesism, racism, sexism, homophobia, etc, are all sides of the same coin, and to get rid of these things would do our world nothing but good.

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Amber Ford commented on Human Life v. Animal Life on July 5, 2008, 1:20 AM

I agree in theory with what Ingrid is saying, I simply do not believe that PETA practices what Ingrid is preaching. The PETA "victory" against KFC Canada proves this. Here we have a campaign where the "victory" was instead of slitting chickens' throats to kill them, they are gassed to death. Is this taking animal interests seriously PETA?PETA should be advocating veganism, and stop worrying about how to make animal industries more efficient. Effectively that is what controlled atmospheric killing of chickens does. The CAK method of killing chickens was sold to the chicken killing industry on the premise that it would save the industry money and produce a better product.I ask, can you serve the interest of animals and animal exploiting industries at the same time? I don't think so. The only effective way to serve animal interests and to be true to the idea that animals deserve the right not to be used as a means to an end by us, is to go vegan. Let the animal exploitation industries try and figure out how to make their own model more efficient.

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Amber Ford commented on David Chang On Veganism and the Environment on July 4, 2008, 9:51 PM

I think David's reasoning is flawed. First of all, he says that animals are here to serve our purposes. Not true. They are here to serve their own purposes. He also fails to explain why he thinks that an environmental reason for vegetarianism is not valid, at least he seems to be implying it is invalid. He also never explains why he thinks vegetable consumption is more problematic than meat consumption in the area of food safety. A person who consumes a vegan diet is far more friendly to the planet compared to "localvores" and people who drive hybrid vehicles. As for safety, look at the latest tomato scare... the issue was salmonella. Salmonella is not exactly something that is associated with vegetables. It may however be associated with water contamination or some other method of contamination from animal agriculture. It was speculated that water contamination from surrounding animal agriculture was responsible for the spinach scare a while back. This would mean that the safety issue is with meat, not vegetables and fruits. As for not wanting to see a world consisting of vegetarians, why not? I would love to be part of a world where exploitation of animals is eliminated, after all, we are animals too, and exploitation is linked. Speciesism, racism, sexism, homophobia, etc, are all sides of the same coin, and to get rid of these things would do our world nothing but good.

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Amber Ford commented on Human Life v. Animal Life on July 4, 2008, 9:20 PM

I agree in theory with what Ingrid is saying, I simply do not believe that PETA practices what Ingrid is preaching. The PETA "victory" against KFC Canada proves this. Here we have a campaign where the "victory" was instead of slitting chickens' throats to kill them, they are gassed to death. Is this taking animal interests seriously PETA? PETA should be advocating veganism, and stop worrying about how to make animal industries more efficient. Effectively that is what controlled atmospheric killing of chickens does. The CAK method of killing chickens was sold to the chicken killing industry on the premise that it would save the industry money and produce a better product. I ask, can you serve the interest of animals and animal exploiting industries at the same time? I don't think so. The only effective way to serve animal interests and to be true to the idea that animals deserve the right not to be used as a means to an end by us, is to go vegan. Let the animal exploitation industries try and figure out how to make their own model more efficient.

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